Author Topic: Non Smoking (Read 1228 times)

Eagler · « **on:** October 28, 2002, 01:14:22 PM »

This Nov 5th Florida has amendment 6 on the ballot:

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/initiatives/initdetail.asp?
account=34548&seqnum=1

It is like the law in CA which will prohibit smoking inside.

How do you in CA find this law? Any smokers for it?

Myself, I hope it passes here.

Nifty · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:29:44 PM »

I'm voting against it. I feel I have no right to tell an owner of a workplace if they can or cannot smoke inside. Especially if I do not work there.

Thrawn · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:32:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
I'm voting against it. I feel I have no right to tell an owner of a workplace if they can or cannot smoke inside. Especially if I do not work there.

Isn't it the employer's obligation to provide a safe working place for his employees?

Eagler · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:35:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
I'm voting against it. I feel I have no right to tell an owner of a workplace if they can or cannot smoke inside. Especially if I do not work there.

Workplace?

you mean bars and restaurants?

the help ain't the ones smoking, its the customers

I would be fine with laws today if a Non smoking section was truly non smoking. Not some half wall at best but a glass box, just like the airports

Just because someone doesn't have the self control to wait, why should I have to smell his nasty habit?

you probably votin for ole bill too

Nifty · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:38:59 PM »

yes, however, the amendment would not even allow a "smoking lounge" if the employer and the employees wanted one. It's not just work AREA smoking, it's work PLACE smoking. Meaning no smoking at all inside the building. If the wording was for work AREA smoking, I'd be more inclined to consider voting for it. As the wording is now, I will not vote for it.

Kanth · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:39:34 PM »

If I don't like the smell of old people can we make them all stand in a glass box as well?

Eagler · « **Reply #6 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:42:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Kanth
If I don't like the smell of old people can we make them all stand in a glass box as well?

LOL

just stay outa the Denny's, Village Inn and Morrisons and you'll be ok. All for smokers only establishments, I'd know where to avoid.

Nifty · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:45:02 PM »

Eagler, the amendment you want is one that bans smoking in RESTAURANTS. Not WORKPLACES.

And I doubt I will vote for McBride. His programs will not be paid for by a 50 cent increase on cigarettes and his other little money saving "schemes." McBride's education initiatives are excellent, but expensive with no way to pay for them other than raising taxes. The programs cost more than his plan says, and his plan's way of raising money is not enough for even what his plan calls for, let alone what it will actually cost. I'd love to have smaller classrooms and for teachers to get a $2500/yr increase in average salary. However, I don't think we as a state can afford that, so it would be wrong to vote for him, IMO.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #8 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:48:01 PM »

I for one love the new laws against smoking in public places.
We don't allow any smoking in any public places here.. period.

It's allowed more of us to go 'out' and have fun.

I actually go to the local bar once in a while now.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #9 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:51:45 PM »

We have that on most of the job sights I work at. Very limited outside smoking areas.

In some work areas it makes damn good sense. Refineries, and the like where one dipshit could blow us all to hell.
And I can also see it in offices where a lot of the air is recycled through the building. My mother (retired now) has always had really bad allergies, not just cigs but also heavy perfume wearers and the like. In her case she shouldn't have it inflicted on her.

But in my line of work most of our jobs are in paper-mills. Have you ever smelled a paper mill? If you've driven with in 10 miles of one, you've smelt one. We go into these things and we weld and cut steel that has been impregnated with these chemicals. You let your head get into the smoke it will knock the breath out of you, and if you're really careless you'll be coughing up blood. Sometimes you can use a resperator, most of the time you set up ventilation to keep the worst of it away. Anyway most of these are now non-smoking. A guy has a smoke plume so thick you cant see through it, maybe 14" in dia. going 10 ft in the air, and he gets written up because the cig hanging out his mouth is a health hazard.

Then you go into the brake room to rest. There’s maybe a dozen guys in there, I'm the only one who doesn't smoke, and I don't care. The safety guy comes in and writes someone up for it. In some towns a cop could come in and give the guy a ticket (never seen it happen but the laws there.)

Basically if nobody working their minds it should be a non-issue. If even 1 person has a complaint then there should be no smoking anywhere they have to be.

Personally, I'd rather deal with a little smoke in the air then 12 guys on a nicotine jones.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:55:32 PM »

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Personally, I'd rather deal with a little smoke in the air then 12 guys on a nicotine jones.

lol

they'll get over it!

Sikboy · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:57:48 PM »

I'm pretty split on this one. I can understand nearly every aspect of these laws, and I have to say, even when I was a smoker, I enjoyed smoke free dining. But a bar without smoke is just wierd.

One note though, I didn't know how much I appreciated the law until I moved to MD, and back into the smoking/non-smoking environment.

-Sik

JB73 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2002, 02:08:25 PM »

though i am a smoker (first to respond?)
and i will be quitting soon (laugh all u want

)

my friends and i will not patronize places that forbid smoking around here for the simple fact that the government is trying to tell people how to live their lives.

i am offended by smelly people on the bus... but no law says they have to shower.

the liberals will do everything they can to make me live the way they want... I wont accept "alternative lifestyles" as OK the Bible says they are Wrong. I wont follow many of their ways and this is just another liberal tool to get us all in a marxist society.

Nifty · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2002, 02:13:01 PM »

lemme rephrase this again... If the amendment was to ban smoking from inside restaurants only, I'd probably vote for it. It's not. It's banning smoking from inside of all workplaces.

and by the way, you still won't have a smoke free bar. Stand alone bars are excluded from the amendment.

lazs2 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 28, 2002, 02:18:25 PM »

I don't smoke.. I like going to places that are smoke free but...

I can't even believe that people are telling other people what they can do in their own building in regards to smoking.

I say let the owner decide and the rest of us can patronize smoking or non smoking.. the workers can choose where to work.
lazs