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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2002, 01:21:44 PM »
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So are knives... BAN KITCHEN UTENSILS!
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I use a knife to cut my food up before I put it into my mouth...not to kill it.:confused:

There are lots of non-lethal uses for knives.  Give me ONE other use for a gun.
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2002, 01:23:07 PM »
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You are 5 to 10 times more likely to be injured in a hit and run accident then by a firearm.


That may be true...as long as the gun isn't loaded and aimed at my head.  Then, surprisingly, it is a bit more deadly than a car.
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2002, 01:24:34 PM »
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I use a knife to cut my food up before I put it into my mouth...not to kill it.:confused:


I use an AK-47 with a banana clip to cut my food up.... Knives are for stabbin... nor for eatin!


There are lots of non-lethal uses for knives.  Give me ONE other use for a gun.

You can wittle down a tree in a matter of seconds with tripod mounted .50cal squad assault weapon...
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2002, 01:32:52 PM »
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That may be true...as long as the gun isn't loaded and aimed at my head.  Then, surprisingly, it is a bit more deadly than a car.




That's the difference Curval.  Cars are *ALWAYS* loaded, and usually pointed at someone.  :(

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2002, 01:35:08 PM »
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Dude..that gun was made for one purpose..to kill.


Hmmm... it strikes me that many guns (largely pistols) in the US are purchased not to kill, but so that the owner will not be killed. I appreciate that this is a nice difference, but I feel that it's an important one.

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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2002, 01:37:16 PM »
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Guns are also good for target practice, so you can be more accurate when you go out killing stuff.

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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2002, 01:39:24 PM »
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Hmmm... it strikes me that many guns (largely pistols) in the US are purchased not to kill, but so that the owner will not be killed. I appreciate that this is a nice difference, but I feel that it's an important one.


Wrong...at least with respect to this post.  Rip posted a pic inviting people to ROB houses because the owner didn't have a gun.  So guns are purchased to prevent robbery, rape etc...not just to prevent death.

And if you purchase a gun to use it, even to stop someone from killing you, you better intend on killing with it.  Nothing pisses off yer average crimminal than being winged.:p
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2002, 02:00:13 PM »
Heh, it's funny.

Someone says "handguns are used against people and kill some of them" and the automatic response is "so does cars [insert other thing] here". The intent is not the same and furthermore, it's a straw man argument.

It's akin to saying "anthrax kills people" and then answer "well, food poisoning kills people too, we should ban food". It's not in the same category.

Pro-gunners have so many better arguments than this. I'd acknowledge that guns are an effective tool for killing people and that is exactly why they're a useful tool - a DETERRANT. If guns were non lethal, few would be afraid to attack a gun owner. Guns equals the playing ground - no matter how big a guy your facing, no matter how good he is at fighting, a shot to the groin will make him beg for mercy :D

I think you should have more stringent laws in the US concerning who can acquire a gun. But, I am not sure it's a bad idea to have 'the right to bear arms'. My thinking is that it's ok for balanced people and that there needs to be some sort of evaluation - or at least some required training. I got guns - hunting rifles - but I had to get certified as a hunter before that (and that means some theory and plenty of shooting, safety regulations, firearms regulation theory and so on).

Have it as a right. But, as with cars, include proper training as a prerequisite. Not sure you can call it a right then, technically, but hopefully you get my drift.

Guns are fun. I love shooting. I love the calm state of mind I get into, the almost Zen like condition, when you stand up and support that heavy rifle with your arms, line up the target and watch the crosshair dance across the target in rythm with your breathing and pulse. I love the you get when you suddenly realize you've squeezed the trigger.

Nordic trap is fast paced requiring the shooter to have good reflexes, excellent 3-d vision and a great psyche. It's like tennis without an adversary to try to psyche out.

Beyond the pure sport of shooting guns there is self protection. And I am inclined to agree with pro-gunners that the only one that truly protect me is ME.
If others want to rely on underpaid functionaries that are overworked, that's for them to decide.

Me, I'd like to be self reliant.

Sheeit, I AM turning into a diddlying nutter. Two more month and I'll be in church with Ammo, HBlair and Ripsnort. Another month after that I'll work as a mechanic next to Creamo.

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2002, 02:13:57 PM »
Santa,
What makes you think I attend church? I've never posted my personal religious feelings on this board, I've only posted that the religious types are the first to be blasted in posts.

As far as my religious beliefs, you can email me and I'll give  them to you...I don't feel comfortable posting them on this BBS, too much venom.

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2002, 02:14:24 PM »
OH NOOOOO curval!  A BLACK gun... now that has to be evil!

I bet there would be less school shootings if it was common knowledge that 10% or more of the staff were concealed carry permit owners and were likely armed.   Guns prevent way more crimes than they aid.  

rips tongue in cheek post is relevant here... it is common knowledge that schools are filled with helpless, unarmed people who can not fight back.... look how good that works out.

tell ya what tho.... I will stay out of your bussiness and not try to own everyone in the tourist trap where yu live.

But really.... how many of you anti gun people have the courage to put those signs on your front lawn?
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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2002, 02:21:33 PM »
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But really.... how many of you anti gun people have the courage to put those signs on your front lawn?
lazs


I don't need to lazs...guns are illegal here.  It is assumed that you DON'T have a gun.

It is funny being labeled "anti-gun" though, when everytime I go away I try and get to the gun range.

Re: the black gun thing...I only mentioned it because it was COOL looking.

Actually Bermuda doesn't really "do" tourism in a big way anymore lazs...get with the times.  We are all Re-insurnace, Accounting and Banking now.  Stuff you really don't need to worry about.:p
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2002, 02:32:26 PM »
The same can be said for the argument that we license and register cars why not guns... but then  again, you probably already heard that one.

The English gun control experience provides a concrete example of American gun owners' worst fear: the goverment steadily whittling firearms rights away over a period of decades.

(taken from the BBC)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm

A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2002, 02:38:31 PM »
you are right curval.. I don't really worry that much about finances.. other people do it for me.   Not that I have that much... and not that that matters right?

But really... who cares what happens in bermuda.. not worth mentioning.. not relevant to any conversation about the U.S.  

I do like the way the aussies found out how much you can trust your government and regestration...  pitiful.
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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2002, 03:13:53 PM »
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But really.... how many of you anti gun people have the courage to put those signs on your front lawn?
lazs


I wonder more how many gun owners will put those signs on thier front lawns to attract potential criminals into coming within range of a bullet?

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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2002, 03:22:18 PM »
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But really... who cares what happens in bermuda.. not worth mentioning.. not relevant to any conversation about the U.S.  

I do like the way the aussies found out how much you can trust your government and regestration...  pitiful.
lazs


I don't see where Rip's little sign says "Only for those in the u.s."..do you?

Please clarify the Aussie thing...I am not aware that we had a Bermuda/Aussie issue.
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