Author Topic: Gun owners and non-gun owners... (Read 1680 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #105 on:** October 31, 2002, 07:34:58 PM »

sorry MT there are no DOJ stats for 1 to 5 age gun deaths, you had a bad dream thats all.

bounder · « **Reply #106 on:** October 31, 2002, 07:47:50 PM »

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Originally posted by batdog

Curval..you dont understand what I'm getting at or trying anyway. The USA isnt a European nation. Our people DO NOT think like yours. We DO NOT have the same history you do. Your a people who accepted that it was some guys right to rule you because he got to waer that pointy hat thingy called a crown and SWORE up and down that God justified his rule as being right.

We on the other hand get sick at the tough of some fat inbred guy saying he has the right to govern us.

This lead to something called our revolution w/intern brought about our constitution.

Once again... if we COMPROMISE our constitution in one area we might as well go back to that fat inbred guy w/the shiney pointy hat thingy telling us what to do again. And let me tell you..Americans simply dont bend those knees very well.

xBAT

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We ditched the divine rule of Kings a long time ago, before your revolution. And make no mistake, you also have a ruling class - they may not be royalty, but they are the best you can do.

Hell your presidents daddy was president, and he may not be inbred as much as the European Royals (god knows they are a bunch of chinless bananas) but he's no high watt bulb either.

Christ, your constitution is just a rip off from a bunch of deluded french idealist philosophers, and is utterly unworkable anyway.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (through superior firepower).

Samm · « **Reply #107 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:00:06 PM »

I own a non-gun .

lazs2 · « **Reply #108 on:** November 02, 2002, 11:32:50 AM »

"Christ, your constitution is just a rip off from a bunch of deluded french idealist philosophers, and is utterly unworkable anyway.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (through superior firepower).

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Hmm... seems to have worked pretty well so far. Look at all the envy out there. hell just read the boards.. You guys in the socialist countries don't care about guns other than the fact that you are simply jealous of our freedom... if you can't have em then by gawd... no one can. and damn the facts. As our economy grows and yours shrinks I can only point out whose constitution is unworkable... sheesh... next your gonna lose Scotland and then you will have to build walls around the little island just to keep people in.
lazs

Monk · « **Reply #109 on:** November 03, 2002, 02:08:50 AM »

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Hmm... seems to have worked pretty well so far. Look at all the envy out there. hell just read the boards.. You guys in the socialist countries don't care about guns other than the fact that you are simply jealous of our freedom... if you can't have em then by gawd... no one can. and damn the facts. As our economy grows and yours shrinks I can only point out whose constitution is unworkable... sheesh... next your gonna lose Scotland and then you will have to build walls around the little island just to keep people in.
lazs

Yup!

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #110 on:** November 03, 2002, 05:39:50 AM »

Im of the opinion that sometimes you boys use the Constitution as an excuse to disguise what really amounts to the macho image of being a gun owner. Even in the burbs where your never going to hunt buck or bear, you must have Dirty Harrys Magnum in the guise of protecting your families cause it doesnt shrink in the shower.

Gman · « **Reply #111 on:** November 03, 2002, 09:09:20 AM »

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Thus, I'm wonderin' what alla the gun hoopla is about. And I'm askin', is your world a whole lot different than mine? Are your homes getting invaded? Are your friend's homes getting invaded? Co-workers?

Never happened to me at home Nash, but multiple times at work. Does work not count?

Let's see, here in "peace loving" Canada, in the last 3 months, I've had a: A friend, John Fullerton, shot and killed in a robbery, b: A friend, a cop, victim of a home invasion, c: A friend, a police officer, help up at his 2nd job and shot in the leg (Phil Harnois, P+D Enterprises Edmonton 3 weeks ago). In the last few years, I've had a: A good friend of my fiancee's who works next door to her killed (Tara McDonald, yes, the one who spurred on the new national working at night rules), at LEAST 5 people I know the victim of brutal assaults, and 1 of those a fatality.

I know what you're trying to say Nash, but it's BS. Canada sucks as much as the USA for violence, the difference being, as Rude so aptly put it, he can own a firearm for defence if he so chooses, and we can't.

I know some guys in the leaf game out in your neck of the woods Nash, they say that violence amoung people in that field of endeavour is at an all time high, especially amoungst the asian and east Indian factions. How often do you think those guys hit the wrong house, and wind up messing with some civilians? Why not call up Vancouver PD or the RCMP and ask. I already know the answer, I'd just like you to know it too.

Nash · « **Reply #112 on:** November 03, 2002, 12:07:14 PM »

Well... I'll say up front that I suck at math and am little better in figuring out statistics. But I checked some numbers for your city, Calgary (http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/011031/d011031b.htm) and came up with this:

(stats for 2000 were all I could find, but I can't imagine there being a great difference now).

There were 16 homicides in Calgary in 2000.

17% of all homicides were at the hands of a stranger (they say that stat hasn't changed in 10 years).

33% of all homicides involved a gun.

The population of Calgary in 2000 was 850,000.

Thus in 2000 you had a 0.000001056% chance of being killed by a stranger with a gun (I'm gonna assume that people aren't buying guns here to protect themselves from family members.)

You could probably lessen that chance if you lived in Oakridge and not Forest Lawn (you know what I'm sayin'), weren't involved in the drug trade, prostitution etc.

I lived in Calgary for 6 years.... never felt the need to arm myself. Never felt the need to arm myself in NYC for that matter and I lived in a couple of dicey areas. But as far as Calgary goes, I don't think there's much difference in our experience other than the fact that your friends work in gun stores and are cops. You're probably gonna have a different perspective on it, however. But for the average Calgarian, guns and home protection and alla that... it's just not something to get worked up over.

beet1e · « **Reply #113 on:** November 03, 2002, 04:42:00 PM »

Spook! -

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Im of the opinion that sometimes you boys use the Constitution as an excuse to disguise what really amounts to the macho image of being a gun owner. Even in the burbs where your never going to hunt buck or bear, you must have Dirty Harrys Magnum in the guise of protecting your families cause it doesnt shrink in the shower.

I laughed so hard when I read this that my girlfriend came down to see what was happening. She read it and she laughed too.

Priceless.

beet1e · « **Reply #114 on:** November 03, 2002, 05:00:25 PM »

Non-owner here, and even if I could get something worth having, I wouldn't bother because I'm not interested in guns. It's not just ME that can't buy a handgun. None of the village knobheads round here can buy one either, so I relax at nights. Effectively, my house bears a virtual sign which says "Owner is unarmed" because none of the houses round here is armed and none needs to be.

Thrawn · « **Reply #115 on:** November 03, 2002, 05:03:09 PM »

Homocides stayed pretty steady in Canada last year, as it has for the previous two years. If fact stats are a hell of a lot better the they were in the 70's and 80's (same as Texas strangely

).

http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/020925/d020925b.htm

Nash · « **Reply #116 on:** November 04, 2002, 12:11:22 AM »

Heh... homicides in Calgary dropped from a whopping 16 in 2000 to 15....fifteen.... in 2001... despite its population growing from 850,000 to 950,000 in that year.

Good thing yer loaded fer bear in that neck of the woods there Gman (Gunman?). Ya never know.

It's strange to me though.

The guys *with* the guns... the things that are supposed to make ya feel safe... come across as the most frightened. Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

No gun here.... and I feel fine.

beet1e · « **Reply #117 on:** November 04, 2002, 01:13:51 AM »

Nash. That's interesting that you and Gman live in Canada but have opposing viewpoints. And you both live or lived in Calgary?

It's morning here. Just got up after another night's peaceful sleep in my unarmed home. Still grinning at Spook's comment.

Nash · « **Reply #118 on:** November 04, 2002, 02:43:48 AM »

The whole thing is a bit of a joke I think. Gun owners calling people who don't own them paranoid, while they calculate shotgun dispersion in a hallway.

Weigh that against another thread by Rip calling for people to post signs in their yard about it.... and have you seen Rip's yard? His house? Invasion by wasps, tops. Unless he has a daughter like Yeager... then he gets to chase her boyfriends around with one.

It's the gun owners who post gun related threads. It's the radio talk-show guys who get a rise outta the gun owners who call in. Gun owners love the issue I think because the issue is part and parcel of their hobby.

You can't exactly bring a gun to show and tell. And that's gotta be frustrating. But, having a gun is.... very neat and everything and I just GOTSTA let ya know.

So I'll make a nifty post about something like being shot at 5 times or shooting at a mace can with my shirt off and if anyone has anything to say about it like BACK THE shreck OFF because just LOOK at the Constitution and my god there were FIFTEEN MURDERS here this year!

Whatever. Enjoy your guns. They can be cool for alotta things. Mostly they're just silly.

beet1e · « **Reply #119 on:** November 04, 2002, 03:40:48 AM »

...and some people even claim that the more guns there are, the safer we'll be. Could I extrapolate further, and say that the world as a whole would be safer if more countries had nuclear warheads with a range of thousands of miles?

I pretty much agree with you, Nash. It'a all a load of bollocks. But when an unfortunate event takes place in which a dozen or two innocent people/children are killed by a gun-crazed madman, we get the pro-gun catch-all disclaimer trotted out time after time: "Guns don't kill people. Only people kill people." But for the tragic loss of innocent lives, that statement would be hilarious.

If all the money that has been spent purchasing the 200 million privately owned guns in the US had been spent on beefing up law enforcement, then we would see a major reduction in US crime.