Author Topic: Gun owners and non-gun owners... (Read 1681 times)

Yeager · « **Reply #60 on:** October 30, 2002, 11:41:13 PM »

Its ok nash. They learned a real damned fine lesson in life:

Dont diddly with daddies girls...heheh

And as far as the dogs are concerned: The only reason I didnt shoot the damned things was because it would wake the neighbors

Serioulsy, Im so glad I at least had the ability to deal with any problems. Theres nothin compared to being capable of takin care of busniess if push comes to shove.

I also own a few real nice shoulder fired weapons.
If the need ever arises I will be there.

Lastly, all the folks that clamour for gun confiscation will be the last in line to do so. Kinda weak asking for something then expecting others to do the dirty work.....I feel sorry for those with badges going door to door. Will be ugly.

StSanta · « **Reply #61 on:** October 31, 2002, 12:12:29 AM »

And Toad goes right ahead and proves my point.

Airhead · « **Reply #62 on:** October 31, 2002, 01:23:17 AM »

I caught some woman in my hotel room once and thank God I had my gun cause I saw something resembling a gun barrel in her hand. I pulled my gun and emptied the clip in her chest, and discovered that she'd appearently stolen the maid's uniform and what I thought was a gun barrel was really the handle of her feather duster.

Being from out of state and not wanting to answer a lot of questions to the local police I stashed her body in the dirty linen hamper, checked out and left.

I was glad of two things that day- one, that I had used a stolen credit card to rent the room so the cops never got me, and two, that I was carrying my gun that day...Who knows what might have happened if I had left it at home? I could have gotten dusted.

SaburoS · « **Reply #63 on:** October 31, 2002, 01:35:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Airhead

"Deterence" implies "pervention" and a concealed weapon isn't a deterrant at all- it's an equalizer. You want deterance? Get a dog- a big one that bites. I guarantee nobody will attempt to break into your house while he's on duty, nobody will try to carjack you if he's in it with you and you won't be robbed walking down the street if he's on a leash. I'll guarantee you I'd whether rely on my dog to deal with an intruder than have to shoot some kid, but that's just me.

But what if your dog attacks and mauls a kid to death?

SaburoS · « **Reply #64 on:** October 31, 2002, 01:45:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
I caught some woman in my hotel room once and thank God I had my gun cause I saw something resembling a gun barrel in her hand. I pulled my gun and emptied the clip in her chest, and discovered that she'd appearently stolen the maid's uniform and what I thought was a gun barrel was really the handle of her feather duster.

Being from out of state and not wanting to answer a lot of questions to the local police I stashed her body in the dirty linen hamper, checked out and left.

I was glad of two things that day- one, that I had used a stolen credit card to rent the room so the cops never got me, and two, that I was carrying my gun that day...Who knows what might have happened if I had left it at home? I could have gotten dusted.

ROFL!!! You card, you!

lazs2 · « **Reply #65 on:** October 31, 2002, 08:54:29 AM »

actually... concealed carry can and is a deterance... Florida has very civilized, generous concealed carry laws. As the number of concealed carry permits went up.... the number of violent crimes went down.. criminals are not only not masterminds but they are allso very cowardly.

I would allso contend that school yard killers are quite cowardly and that if they and everyone else knew that say 10% of the teachers and staff were likeleyu to be carrying concealed guns that it would prevent most school shootings. right now... the way the law is... It is like letting wolves loose in the bunny hutch.

bermuda... no... I see your point... one person being killed is plenty good reason to take away the rights of everyone else.. Now it will be impossible for you to head the siren song of the gun and start killing people. Congrats... you have been protected from yourself.

Gun clubs? no... I don't rent a home. I don't want someone telling me they changed their mind and I can't live there anymore. I don't want to go to the "gun club" and be told "no... the law changed.. you can't shoot your gun anymore.. go home and be thankful like that nice spook lad in aussie land".
lazs

Curval · « **Reply #66 on:** October 31, 2002, 09:18:37 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
bermuda... no... I see your point... one person being killed is plenty good reason to take away the rights of everyone else.. Now it will be impossible for you to head the siren song of the gun and start killing people. Congrats... you have been protected from yourself.

Gun clubs? no... I don't rent a home. I don't want someone telling me they changed their mind and I can't live there anymore. I don't want to go to the "gun club" and be told "no... the law changed.. you can't shoot your gun anymore.. go home and be thankful like that nice spook lad in aussie land".
lazs

I haven't been protected from myself...I've been protected from gun-toting idiots that want to shoot people.

Lazs, I don't doubt that you are a person who treats guns with respect and handlle them accordingly. Unfortunately, I don't have the same trust in others around me, either in the US or here on the island.

You claim, it seems, that your "freedom" might be violated without the right to own a gun..and shoot it whenever you want. That is simply not true. I would love to see what would happen if you fired one of those hand-cannons you own in, or around a city, such as New York. Discharging a weapon in public could well land you in jail. So you are NOT free to just "plink" away whenever you feel like it. You MUST go to a controlled environment..such as a range to shoot..unless you live in the boonies and there is no-one around to tell you what you can and cannot do.

midnight Target · « **Reply #67 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:05:16 AM »

So anyone wanna explain why violent crime has risen over the past year? Do ya think it was due to Ashcroft's stand on guns and gun control? I mean, saying crime has dropped in areas with concealed carry laws has just as much validity as saying crime has risen since Ashcroft became AG due to his stance on guns.

Cause and effect.....
Cause and effect.....

midnight Target · « **Reply #68 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:12:31 AM »

Crimes per 100,000 population Natl. average Los Angeles, CA Miami, FL

Those concealed carry laws sure do work goooood!

http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crimecompare3.asp?lcity=8381&rcity=8735&view=T

Ripsnort · « **Reply #69 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:15:49 AM »

You can't make judgement from one state Midnight (especially when you consider the immigration of Florida in the last 20 years)

Do it nationally, think you'd find slightly different results.

midnight Target · « **Reply #70 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:17:31 AM »

Funny Rip, are you saying that there has been less immigration to California?.... ROFL

Ripsnort · « **Reply #71 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:17:56 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
So anyone wanna explain why violent crime has risen over the past year?

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Malcolm also offers a revealing comparison of the experience in England experience with that in the modern United States. Today Americans own some 200 million guns and have seen eight consecutive years of declining violence, while the English--prohibited from carrying weapons and limited in their right to self-defense have suffered a dramatic increase in rates of violent crime.

"Guns and Violence, The English Experience"
Joyce Lee Malcom, Harvard University Press
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/MALGUN.html

Ripsnort · « **Reply #72 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:18:36 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Funny Rip, are you saying that there has been less immigration to California?.... ROFL

One only has to look at the cultural differences

midnight Target · « **Reply #73 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:23:10 AM »

Crime rises for first time in a decade

I guess you missed this little item last week.

midnight Target · « **Reply #74 on:** October 31, 2002, 10:23:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort

One only has to look at the cultural differences

HUH!?