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Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2002, 10:08:16 AM »
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Who's stereotyping here Thrawn?


Click the back button and you'll a find a post by SaburoS showing you exactly who is stereotyping.

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« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2002, 10:15:55 AM »
On Explorer?

I clicked the back button and it went to boobsquad.com.

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« Reply #137 on: November 02, 2002, 10:35:30 AM »
subaruro... judging from your own words you think that every post except those of the few you mentioned are racist.   You like using the word... it rolls off your tounge so well and makes you seem so enlightened but... I don't see but a few posts that could be even remotely considered racist and even they are simply backlash that is caused by the whole racist/socialist idea of reparations..

you expect people to be happy about reparations?   You expect us to admire a group who would ask for or even accept reparations?   To animals credit he admits that it is a bad/stupid idea.

saburo... I would suggest that if you wish to attack people that you do it individually and not as a group lest you be tagged racist.  I think you are simply kneejerk reciting what you think will make you apear progressive.   I have to believe that because you seem so cowardly in your attacks.   You don't defend reparations except to condem those who disagree as racist.   A term that you seem to be unable to define as it applies to the posters.


btw funked is correct... Horowitz it correct as allways and much nicer than funked.
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« Reply #138 on: November 02, 2002, 11:11:13 AM »
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On Explorer?

I clicked the back button and it went to boobsquad.com.

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LOL whats your password!?!?   :eek: :eek: :eek:

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« Reply #139 on: November 02, 2002, 11:14:53 AM »
Yeah I've read Subaru's tweaking.  I'm just not going to buy the argument that a categorical response to a categorical proposition is racist.

The very idea that people should worry about their wording in opposition so that they do not use race to argue a race based proposal is ludicrous.

Has Nazi surfaced yet?  I couldn't be quite interested enough to read every word, but if not it should be showing up soon I'd imagine.

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« Reply #140 on: November 02, 2002, 11:33:06 AM »
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Here's a hint for you morons that don't know what racism is.  It's judging some one based on thier race.

IE:  Send THEM back to Africa.  Them includes ALL black Americans, hell even those that are against reperations themselves.

Reparations aren't racist because they don't target white people.  They target the institutinos and companies that profitted from it.

No one on this tread has yet to say that they support reparations.  But don't let that get in the way of your little Klan meeting.
 


Not quite, no one said "Send THEM back to Africa". What I said was that if these black charlatans are going to claim that by simply being black in America their "Sufferage" is so unique and dreadful that they are due some sort of special recompense for simple existing here I am going to point out that even as bad as as these charlatans claim they have had it here they would have it worse off in Africa. In Africa there would be no one to extort money from. So my point is that as much as Africans claim "sufferage" by being here they have also benefitted.

These charlatans arent targeting companies alone but the US government. By doing that they are targeting my money. They are targetting folks who have no connection to slavery.

None of the institutions in government today are the same as they were during slavery. Thats the same with the citizenry.

The specific call for reparations has to do with back wages and punitive damages "owed" by slave owners. None of the slaveholders are still alive and no slaves are alive to sue them.

The majority of Americans living at the time of slavery didnt own slaves. The majority of citizens living today in America had nothing to do with slavery. I doudt you could show that an overwhelming number of blacks in America today had relatives that were slaves.

At the time of the time of slavery the US government was an entirely different entity then it was today. The individaul states themselves had overiding control of what went on in their states. The Civil War and the years following changed that.

The call for reparations is actually an accusation. You cant expect people to to just bow down and write check for something they didnt do. So if you keep the context of the statements made by folks in this thread you will see they are not targeted at "Black people" but at the contention that the rest of us owe them something. Even Bill Clinton couldnt bring himself to apologize on be half of the government for slavery. Thats because the people in government and the citizens of this nation alive today are not responsible for what happened then.

So if you say "gimme 10 billion dollars because I am black". Folks are gonna tell you where to go.

Theres big difference between that and a klan rally.

This thread was about reparations not about being a racist but a few have turned into a thread about "whos the least racist". Leave my wallet alone and I am completely indifferent to how the rest of yas live.

hmmmm I used the word "indifferent" is that code for "I am a racist?". Damn wheres my code book...........

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« Reply #141 on: November 02, 2002, 11:39:11 AM »
"they've been getting paid all along:

its called food stamps, unemployment, free medical/dental, gov housing & enough pocket change to lease that bmw

now they want a "bonus"?
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« Reply #142 on: November 02, 2002, 11:45:05 AM »
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The very idea that people should worry about their wording in opposition so that they do not use race to argue a race based proposal is ludicrous.


It's a good point...

Still, I'd rather take the high ground and not sink to the level of amazinhunks like Al Sharpton.

The entire proposal is just one more way to divide the country. Sure... decide that the descendents of slaves deserve reparations. Deciding who should pay or not based upon heritage is impossible. Deciding that all non-african people should pay is absolutely unfair and racist too.
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« Reply #143 on: November 02, 2002, 12:35:22 PM »
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The very idea that people should worry about their wording in opposition so that they do not use race to argue a race based proposal is ludicrous.


You have neatly summed up the issue here.  Of course the kneejerk leftist PC police don't bother with things like logic so don't waste your breath.

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« Reply #144 on: November 02, 2002, 12:38:38 PM »
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"they've been getting paid all along:

its called food stamps, unemployment, free medical/dental, gov housing & enough pocket change to lease that bmw

now they want a "bonus"?
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Happy.


So that's racist?  Maybe the BMW part.  The rest of it is demonstrably true - the same group who would recieve reparations is the same group who has recieved more government handouts than any other similar group (except maybe for native Americans).  So the truth is racist now?  I guess we should ignore the truth then.  Wouldn't be PC.

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« Reply #145 on: November 02, 2002, 12:40:38 PM »
Logic?? What's that?? Sheeesh Funked, I had nightmares after looking at that pic of you with the super-long tongue. I didn't sleep worth a damn.

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« Reply #146 on: November 02, 2002, 12:44:56 PM »
Are you making fun of my tongue?  It's not that big.  The myth that hairy white men have big tongues is just that, a myth.  You are stereotyping.  RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #147 on: November 02, 2002, 12:57:13 PM »
Funked....you're a Nazi.

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« Reply #148 on: November 02, 2002, 01:32:10 PM »
I have ignored this thread as I thought the concept was patently bogus. I finally got curious enough (bored actually) to look at it. I went to the web site of the group demanding the reperations. I read the information they list and have come to the conclusion that they are in fact divisive, racist in their own postings and attempting to demand that which they are not owed. This is the last paragraph from the site and it sums things up nicely.

The demand for reparations for African people is just and simple. It is simply an attempt to "repair," to "make whole" the descendants of the victims of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade, which was a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY! Crimes against humanity have no statute of limitations. And our people still suffer from the vestiges of their enslavement and colonization.

Please note no mention is made of anyone other than black people. Therefore you can conclude that only black people are victims of a crime against humanity. This totally ignores the fate of the decendants of indentured servants who shared many of the same tribulations. It also ignores all other peoples who were subjugated in the globe. (I have to include the globe as slavery was not unique to the United States)

The claim is made that the reperations are needed to "make whole" the "descendants of slaves". This is patently prposterous as that would require relocating them back to their homeland. No whwere did I see a request to return to Africa. The second part of this would be to show they would be better off had they not been born in the United States. (Assuming that all actual emancipated slaves are in fact deceased.) This position assumes they would have had a better lifestyle, income and conditions in their native land. I am going to find that very hard to believe given the turmoil in Africa and the fact that there is very little in the way of an even comparison of the economies of the two continents. Reperations would have to be made on the actual finding of a real loss. I don't think many of the folks who are behind this move can say they would be better off financially in Africa. If they cannot do this then perhaps there is no validity to the claim.

The fact that the folks in this move are still here in the united States indicates they have no real desire to return to their forefathers native land. They would have filed this action from there if that had been the case.

My last item is that the presence of this thread has in fact shown there is a real divide between many who post here regarding what is racism. Racism isn't soley a white concept. It is a concept of all people in all parts of the globe. Is it right? No. Is it missing in black people? No. Is it something that will be changed or eliminated by this demand for reperations? Absolutely not. In fact it has shown here on this board that is in fact devisive on it's impact of the posts.

Folks, we would be better off if you would just take to heart the "golden rule". Treat others as you would like to be treated and prejudice, racism and other ills of society would disapear. It won't happen of course but try anyhow.

I have been the victim of racist remarks, predjudicial treatment and it was not pleasant. Some comments were related to race, others due to profession. The funny thing is I have been shown prejudice from both aglo and black people as well as hispanics as they saw me through their eyes. They never grasped that I am not from a single "people". I am of mixed heritage and found that neither side wanted to claim me at times as though I had done something wrong in somehow choosing my parents. That was their problem not mine and I will not claim ownership, responsibility for their problem.

I am not responsible for the actions of people who lived before I was born and have no relationship to me. That is my stand on the "reperations issue"
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« Reply #149 on: November 02, 2002, 01:45:26 PM »
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a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY


Expect it says "a" crime against humanity.  Not "the only" crime against humanity.