Author Topic: The "Justice" System Is Failing the American People: Stop The Insanity...... (Read 1534 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 04, 2002, 09:05:08 AM »

What does the senate have to do with Arizona's capital punishment laws?

Wotan · « **Reply #16 on:** November 04, 2002, 10:19:15 AM »

The true measure of our Justice System is not who we havent executed but who we have.

If theres the slightest doudt as to whether someone is innocent or that the death penalty has been applied in error then their can be no execution. What is more of a tragedy, executing an innocent man? Or having a guilty man serve 60 years instead of being executed?

The death penalty in America is no deterent. Our justice system isnt based on eye for an eye. It is in the interest of justice to make sure that those sentenced to be executed are guilty and have had an opportunity to put up a proper defense.

Our Justice is not a tool for the victims to seek out retribution. It serves as an instrument for society as a whole.

Theres no amount of money that can make up for executing the wrong person.

AKIron · « **Reply #17 on:** November 04, 2002, 10:28:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
The true measure of our Justice System is not who we havent executed but who we have.

If theres the slightest doudt as to whether someone is innocent or that the death penalty has been applied in error then their can be no execution. What is more of a tragedy, executing an innocent man? Or having a guilty man serve 60 years instead of being executed?

The death penalty in America is no deterent. Our justice system isnt based on eye for an eye. It is in the interest of justice to make sure that those sentenced to be executed are guilty and have had an opportunity to put up a proper defense.

Our Justice is not a tool for the victims to seek out retribution. It serves as an instrument for society as a whole.

Theres no amount of money that can make up for executing the wrong person.

I don't think slightest doubt is court room jargon. Once a jury decides beyond a reasonable doubt (you'll be hard pressed to find a definition of this) that someone is guilty of murder and that person is then sentenced to die the judgment should be carried out expeditiously. 10 years for appeals seems like a travesty of justice to me.

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** November 04, 2002, 10:42:25 AM »

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Last week, Ray Milton Krone -- pegged for the 1991 stabbing death of a Phoenix waitress -- was finally let off death row. New DNA evidence proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Krone had not committed the crime. After three years on death row and a total of 10 years in prison, Krone became the 100th innocent death row inmate to be exonerated since 1973.

100 in 30 years. Maybe 10 years of appeals isn't enough?

Cabby44 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:04:24 AM »

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"100 in 30 years. Maybe 10 years of appeals isn't enough?"

Cite your scource............

C.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #20 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:15:29 AM »

Here's a list I found after a 2 second search from Google.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/Innocentlist.html

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Average number of years between being sentenced to death and exoneration: 8 years

But I'm SURE it's RUN by a BUNCH of LEFTIE-LEFTISTS and CLINTON and his cadre of CRIMINALS who have raped our SOCIETY of its MORALS and taken our GUNS from us so he can sleep with our DAUGHTERS and let his LIBERAL-LEFTIE-LEFTIST buddies in prison for EATING BABIES run free while...

Krusher · « **Reply #21 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:24:19 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
No shortage of Pancuronium Bromide or Potassium Chloride in Texas. I feel sure we'd be happy to ship a few pounds to Arizona.

40 points to AKIRON for knowing what the name of that stuff. 10 points for knowing how to spell it.. atleast I think he knows how to spell it

Wotan · « **Reply #22 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:25:32 AM »

AKiron juries can only make descisions based on evidence presented. Look at the quote mt supplied. Juries arent always right. Prosecuters arent always working in the interest of justice.

Before a person is executed society has an obligation to ensure there is no doudt or question as to the guilt of the condemned and that the application of the death penalty is appropriate given the circumstances of the crime.

The poor rarely get adequate representation, they dont have the means that the government has in proving their case. In the past few years dna has been used to clear several death row inmates and if I remember correctly it also pointed to one case where a man had been executed but may not have been guilty. These men had been on death row for years. Are you happy with sacrificing them so that

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judgment......... [can be] carried out expeditiously

Regardless of where you stand on the death penalty we all owe it to justice to see that the death penalty is applied correctly. When it comes to executing some one theres no cost in time or money to great to ensure we are right.

AKIron · « **Reply #23 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:27:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusher

40 points to AKIRON for knowing what the name of that stuff. 10 points for knowing how to spell it.. atleast I think he knows how to spell it

hehe, I keep http://www.dictionary.com handy

AKIron · « **Reply #24 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:31:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
When it comes to executing some one theres no cost in time or money to great to ensure we are right.

You wouldn't happen to be a lawyer Wotan?

Thrawn · « **Reply #25 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:32:14 AM »

I imagine a few people would have a change of heart if they were innocent men waiting to die on death row.

midnight Target · « **Reply #26 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:36:13 AM »

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12923

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Citing “Undue Risk” of Executing Innocents, Court Declares Federal Death Penalty Unconstitutional

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This http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab006/dProtess.html

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Might wanna read http://www.truthinjustice.org/deathrow.htm

Cabby44 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:41:23 AM »

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"But I'm SURE it's RUN by a BUNCH of LEFTIE-LEFTISTS and CLINTON and his cadre of CRIMINALS who have raped our SOCIETY of its MORALS and taken our GUNS from us so he can sleep with our DAUGHTERS and let his LIBERAL-LEFTIE-LEFTIST buddies in prison for EATING BABIES run free while..."

Well, i visited your link and read the hand-wringing over the "DC Snipers" and the case for their execution. Guess what. Your DPIC site is against it.

So, i reckon the paragraph i quoted above is essentially correct....

C.

Wotan · « **Reply #28 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:57:25 AM »

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You wouldn't happen to be a lawyer Wotan?

No I am an electrician at an electric generating plant.

What I meant by "we" is society, which isnt correct either. Each state has its own judiciary. Its up to the citizens of each state to decide whats exceptable to them. Provided it complies with the US Constution. A federal death penalty would be "we".

But theres room for mistakes. When "death" is to be applied then there can be no mistakes.

I am against the death penalty, as I am against abortion. I dont think the solutions are found in simply killing people. But I am a realist and understand that some people just "need" to be killed. In the cases where as a society we decide to "kill" then we need to be sure theres no other way.

AKIron · « **Reply #29 on:** November 04, 2002, 11:59:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
I imagine a few people would have a change of heart if they were innocent men waiting to die on death row.

And I imagine you might have one also if it were your 8 year old daughter lying in her grave.