Author Topic: The "Justice" System Is Failing the American People: Stop The Insanity...... (Read 1541 times)

Cabby44 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 04, 2002, 04:04:29 PM »

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"Our justice system doesnt rely on the emotions of the victims to determin justice. Nor should it. Most can understand why a victim may feel the way they do. But we arent going to look to then for justice."

That statement is totally in error. Ever heard of "Personal Injury" lawsuits?? And the testimony of the victim's and/or their survivor's suffering are part of the Judge's sentencing process........

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"No. Sure the unborn children or fetuses that are not viable outside of the mother have a right to live, but those rights to not supercede the mother's right to self-determination of her body."

That statement is obscene. It's an example of most extreme self-centeredness and callousness. Yes, "extreme" but what the Liberal-Left will have you believe is "normal" human behavior. It may indeed be "normal" for the society of the Spartans of ancient times or a pack of wolves in the Russian Steppes, but it is not "normal" for societies based on the principle that all life, especially innocent life, is precious.

But we know, of course, that with the Orwellian Left, that what they say is not what they mean.........

C.

Thrawn · « **Reply #46 on:** November 04, 2002, 04:06:15 PM »

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Originally posted by narsus
killing children is messing with childrens bodies I would think, but hey silly me

Yeah I suppose, but you call them children I call them fetuses.

Would you call a zygote a child as well?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #47 on:** November 04, 2002, 04:59:32 PM »

There goes Cabby and his obsession with the word "Left" again.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Thrawn · « **Reply #48 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:03:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
There goes Cabby and his obsession with the word "Left" again.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Hmm, don't they count cadence in the military by saying, "left, left, left, right, left"?

I would be worried cabby...very worried.

AKIron · « **Reply #49 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:08:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
Our justice system doesnt rely on the emotions of the victims to determin justice. Nor should it. Most can understand why a victim may feel the way they do. But we arent going to look to then for justice.

Not sure I agree with you here. We are all victims of every crime. Even if it's only our pocket book being robbed to support the prisons.

Everyone has emotions. Those emotions are a factor in how we decide to govern ourselves. There are no absolute universal laws, we emotional people make them and decide what is right and wrong.

Airhead · « **Reply #50 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:30:33 PM »

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Originally posted by narsus
Now I am not a huge zeolot in this debate, abortion when mothers life is threatened, rape, incest. (that is reasonable)

If someone doesn't want to have a child, DON'T HAVE SEX.

What !?! So you are opposed to abortion, see the fetus as a victim, yet you can condone the murder (your word) of a fetus because the mother was RAPED??? What is it about that perticular fetus that makes its life worth less than the life of a similar fetus? That its father was a rapist???

At least pro abortion people recognize there's a moment where life begins, either at conception or birth or somewhere in between, but even they recognize that once that state is reached it's murder to kill the child- even if the mother was raped. You are inconstient.

Wotan · « **Reply #51 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:35:35 PM »

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Ever heard of "Personal Injury" lawsuits?? And the testimony of the victim's and/or their survivor's suffering are part of the Judge's sentencing process........

Personal injury lawsuits are a civil matter.

The victim impact statement is a relatively a new creation. The judge and or jury arent bound to what the victim perscieves as justice. They are bound by sentencing guide lines in most cases. The victim impact statement is there to help the judge. The judge can take it into consideration as to what sentence he will hand out or ignore it all together.

Theres no eye for an eye.

AKIron...........

I was referring to those immediatly connected with the crimes of the defendant. Yes society is the ultimate victim of all crimes. Thats why we need to make sure as a society we dont create more victims by executing the wrong people.

Cabby44 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 04, 2002, 05:52:51 PM »

Wotan, you are absolutely wrong. There are degrees of murder, there is a judgement of pre-meditation, kidnapping, etc., of the ways and means of the act of murder, and the very heinousness of a particular killing which have enormous bearing on the punishment meted out. If the emotional impact of murder is "ignored"(a ludicrous, chilling proposition)in determining "justice" why even bother at all with trying, convicting, and punishing criminals??

And what exactly is wrong with an "eye for eye" if it is used to assign a "punishment that fits the crime" in the metaphorical sense?? If a slime-ball rapes, tortures, and murders a child he should be hanged forthwith if the perp is convicted with evidence "beyond a shadow of doubt". I admit it is the kind of justice a simpering, hand-wringing weenie with no moral compass would run from. But it is the kind of a justice a man with a backbone and a sense of responsibility to society would demand.

D.M.F. :

Truth hurt??? If the shoe fits...........

C.

Sandman · « **Reply #53 on:** November 04, 2002, 06:45:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
At least pro abortion people recognize there's a moment where life begins, either at conception or birth or somewhere in between, but even they recognize that once that state is reached it's murder to kill the child- even if the mother was raped. You are inconstient.

I don't know anyone that is pro-abortion.

I know a few people that are pro-choice though.

mietla · « **Reply #54 on:** November 04, 2002, 07:05:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

I don't know anyone that is pro-abortion.

I know a few people that are pro-choice though.

Typical leftie technique. If you are troubled but some issue as immoral, just rename it to something else, and immediately you feel better.

The opposite of "pro-life" is "against-life = pro-death". Obviously this does not sound good fro the left. Who would want to be "pro-death".

But,... all you have to do is to redefine the terms and turn it into a

"pro-choice" vs. "anti-choice" debate. It sounds much better now, doesn't it. Who would want to be against-choice.

Works on anything:

progressive and confiscatory income taxes => fair share
wasteful spending on social programs => investment in our future
tobacco taxes => we have to do it for the children

Wotan · « **Reply #55 on:** November 04, 2002, 07:31:21 PM »

Cabby I am right and you are wrong.

The circumstance of the murder and the charges that follow aere determined by the prosecuter and a grand jury.

Its within the judges discretion in making his ruling to consider all aspects of the crime. The victim impact statements may or may not be apart of the judges ruling.

The victims have no say it what the defendent is charged with nor do they have a say as to what the sentence will be.

The reason we have judges juries prosecuters and defense attorneys is to see to it that justice in served as a society. We dont turn over the accussed to the victims.

Victims Rights are a new thing that has risen up over the past 20 years or so. Victim Impact Statements only have as much influence as the judge or jury allow.

Theres is no eye for an eye. In most capital murder cases the verdict (either by jury or by plea) is something other then the death penalty.

Sandman · « **Reply #56 on:** November 04, 2002, 07:37:57 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla

Typical leftie technique. If you are troubled but some issue as immoral, just rename it to something else, and immediately you feel better.

The opposite of "pro-life" is "against-life = pro-death". Obviously this does not sound good fro the left. Who would want to be "pro-death".

Yadda.. yadda yadda... You want to polarize the issue using your terms. We aren't playing.

WRONG. This is a personal decision. I believe it is a woman's right to do whatever she likes with her body... because it's HER body. It's not mine. It's not yours. Ultimate authority over one's body belongs to the person.

Hence... pro-choice... If you're a woman who is against abortion, you can exist in a pro-choice world.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #57 on:** November 04, 2002, 08:06:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Cabby44
D.M.F. :

Truth hurt??? If the shoe fits...........

If the shoe fits? Stop being such a simpleton. You have no idea about my political affiliations or ideological leanings, and if you guessed you probably would guess incorrectly.

What I can't abide is this constant torrent of mouth-foaming "Lefty" this or "Lefty liberal" that or "Orwellian Left" or "Ultra-Liberal Left." Please. What's funny is that few of the liberals I see here rarely paint conservatives with such colorful and imbecilic phrases. And if they did, they'd sound just as stupid as you do.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Eagler · « **Reply #58 on:** November 04, 2002, 08:13:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

I don't know anyone that is pro-abortion.

I know a few people that are pro-choice though.

call it what you want ...

you end up with the same thing in the trash can

Toad · « **Reply #59 on:** November 04, 2002, 08:15:08 PM »

Todd/Leviathn you Trotskyite traitor!

If you ever spoke the truth, you would choke on its unfamiliarity!

I can't believe someone who used to be so intelligent has become such a totally misguided, unpatriotic traitor to the motherland!

You evil attempt to undermine and destroy our perfect society has been noted and will be dealt with, I assure you! We will bury you! Literally!

(So, how'd I do?

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