Draughts, floods and storms...oh my.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
One Ozone, chemically made by, us destroys the one naturally made by a combination of natural things.

They are the same gas.  One happens to be really high up in the atmosphere.

So, no where in the ice were there samples that show a period of rapid warming?

I'm sure if they were looking for that, they would find it...
-SW

Not for hundreds of thousands of years anyways.

[AKDejaVu]

Originally posted by Ripsnort


Its called "Funding"

You are so right.  I almost wonder if Thrawn has worked with college prophesors at all.

I have to deal with them on a regular basis.  They tell you anything drastic to try to get you to give them money then forget to bring money so you have to pay for their lunch.

My, some of the tall tale theories you get when they are looking for another grant.

AKDejaVu

[Kanth]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Global warming climatology is more akin to atmospheric chemistry as opposed to local wether forcasting.

 My point was more focusing on the people forcasting than the differences between the sciences.

Now are you saying that scientists will have better luck predicting the possible outcomes of something that has happened once in eons (beacuse it has happened before we just weren't there)

than they will have mastering something that happens every day?

[Thrawn]

Yes Kanth, I am.

The frequency of an event doen't necessarily have a direct correlation to our understanding of it.

Deja, Rip.  Are you two say there is a global conspiracy, that reaches all levels of most of the worlds governments (from your own government's EPA to the UN), as well as hundreds of institutions of higher learning, and thousands of scientists?

And that this conspiracy is in affect to use global warming to get more grant money?

Well, that is possible.  Another possibity is that you both have no diddlying clue what the hell you are talking about.

Sure, any liberal comes up with a wacked out conspiracy theory and it's all "Black helicopter" time.  But then you guys come up with this dreck?

Man, okay, say it is a conspiracy theory...prove it.

Because, I got to tell you there is Golly-geen tons of empirical date that proves that global warming is scientific fact.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Because, I got to tell you there is Golly-geen tons of empirical date that proves that global warming is scientific fact.

Yes, 1Degree in 120 years... that's quite some warming!

Yes, I know... 1990-2000 were the hottest years of the past 120.... then again, what does it all matter in the end?

Third world countries keep pumping that nasty CFC, and other, toejam out... we sit here and make clean air policies and regulations only for our attempts to be nullified by those dirty, poor countries.

You can tell me that we should help them get up to standards and follow our regulations and policies, and I'll tell you at that point their lil' pollution creating piss ant country's bellybutton belongs to US! The us is any country that decides to step forth and do it...

Otherwise, "eh"...

How now brown Asian cloud?

Cleaning up the air is a lil' more important than a 1deg increase in 120 years...
-SW

[AKDejaVu]

No Thrawn,  I said nothing about global conspiracy.  That would imply that most people agree on this subject now.. wouldn't it?

I'm saying that college professors live off of grant money.  They only get money based on studies that people actually care about.  The problem is, they also only get money if they come up with something new and inventive.  The status quo is never right, because if it were, there'd be no need for a grant.

This is how two proffessors with identical training can come to two opposite conclusions on the same subject.  Truth be told, they have to if they want to get a grant.

AKDejaVu

[senna]

>You can tell me that we should help them get up to standards
>and follow our regulations and policies, and I'll tell you at that
>point their lil' pollution creating piss ant country's bellybutton belongs to
>US! The us is any country that decides to step forth and do it...

Whats wrong with helping a less advanced country industrialy come up to modern day standards in polution. The more modern countries have had 100 or more years to polute the atmosphere and have had their share in that. Besides helping them be less polutant to themselves and us is good for economics in general. Its a good way to go about doing things and if anything is a leverage or stone in world economics and trading. Im not talking about spending large amounts of money to smog them. Economic incentives at their cost, perhaps somehow shared through common polution safe processes etc... bla bla bla.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
No Thrawn,  I said nothing about global conspiracy.  That would imply that most people agree on this subject now.. wouldn't it?

Most climatologists do.

Thanks for correcting me on the global conspiracy issue.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
I think mother natures had plenty of El Nino's, El Nina's, and global changes in her history...and I think its arrogant of humans to think that they alone could change weather patterns on earth with an entity as mighty as her.

Hmmm... Think they showed a correlation between air travel (contrails) and effects on temperature in this country during the three days after 9-11 that air travel was suspended.

I've also heard backyard swimming pools are the cause of increased humidity in Phoenix... (not sure if it's true.)

[Kanth]

Thank you Thrawn,

That is true.

One more question, in the article that you linked to and quoted I don't see meteorologists linking this 'weather' to global warming
(atmopheric chemistry.)

was that your conclusion?

Originally posted by Thrawn
Yes Kanth, I am.

The frequency of an event doen't necessarily have a direct correlation to our understanding of it.

[ygsmilo]

Thrawn did you do what I asked,,,,,

Rip hit it on the head.  It is El Nino.  If you look back at all the years that you have crop disasters though the years it all relates back to El Nino.  The weather data that we can use goes back to about the early 1800's.  I have been a commodity trader since 1978 and have seen 3 of them myself...

There is some data that does support global warming but there is much more that you can use that supports ocean temps and particulate effects (volcanos,,etc.) that have more effect of global weather.

[UserName]

I say we live it up, regardless of what scientists say. We'll all be dead when the toejam hits the fan anyways.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Kanth


was that your conclusion?


 

I don't think I would even give it the wait of the word conclusion.  I can draw a direct correlation between this very event  and global warming.  

Drastic weather is a predicted symptom of global warming.  All that excess energy has to go somewhere and weather is simply the affect of solar radiation hitting the earth and heating up the atmosphere.

ygsmilo, do you know what El Nino is and how often it occurs?

[Hangtime]

scientists.. governments..

experts... all say... blah blah blah.

in that vein.. 50 billion flies, every last one of 'em an expert on the subject; agree... "EAT toejam!!"

[Toad]

Thrawn, is this the part where I jump in and say "We're all gonna die! WE'RE ALL gonna DIE! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!" ?

Or should a wait a bit for that?


BTW, after driving from KC to Dallas for the con with Milo and discussing his biz, I think I can say you'll find him VERY tuned in to weather patterns all over the world.

When you think about it, understanding weather is a MAJOR player in his livelihood and he's very good at what he does.

WE'RE ALL GONNA

oops.. OK, I'll wait.