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« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2002, 12:06:52 PM »
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I understand Naso.... but if the world ain't gonna fix the problems (and Saddam *IS* a big problem, so is N. Korea if they start taunting S. Korea with their nukes), then someone had better.. or else tommorrow, there won't be any reality.
-SW


There is a Nation in the world that is taunting (not openly) the world with nuclear weapons since 1945, and it's still the only one that HAVE USED IT, even if maybe for good reasons.

So back to that joke that I posted in another thread, little changed:

If the US need to save the world from mass weapons menaces, soon or later have to bomb himself.

The "my business first/I am the only right here/With me or against me" attitude, is not a good start to look for peace.

Like asking one to agree with you and do what you whant, with a gun on his head.... but asking politely. :D

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« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2002, 12:10:44 PM »
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Yeah right Naso.. if they were our puppet, then we would of been inside Iraq months ago hunting down Saddam.

Who keeps getting the run around, and then saying "well, maybe a new resolution and we can get in there next year".... that's right, the UN...

If they were our puppets, Saddam would be very dead a year ago.
-SW


You are a little hungry (it's the correct word?) that some of the "ropes" of this puppet are in France and Russia hands?

;)

The poor and weak nations that the UN have the duty to represent are still there, waiting the next strike, starving, or licking the US and western country hands to have a bone.

Nice world, really.

Fair.

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« Reply #107 on: November 20, 2002, 12:12:20 PM »
My work day his gone, I have to leave, will read the answers tomorrow, godnight :)

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« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2002, 12:29:53 PM »
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You know that we are more closer each other than I am to the american :)
Question of culture and education I guess  ...


From my experience of communicating with foreigners I came to a conclusion that Europeans are muuuch closer to us then Americans... But both Euros and Americans are nice people. This "discussions" on the Net are just a way to vent our emotions :)


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I guess that it make me a commie suporter for lot of american but they will be as wrong as you saying I'm a capitalist pig :p

Things are sometime hard to balance ...

As I'm an ultra communistico-anarchist-capitalist-free market  pig :D


Hehe I can something like this myself, but I have a srong belief that planned economics is much more efficient in case of emergency then the free market. But OTOH - it will not let me work as I do now.

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And I guess you will agree with me that using past event to read the future is not the good way things are not that simple in real world ...

Those thinking you are a commie are just wrong I bet you are like me proud of your nation and your people (but not allways ... like me :()
Sometime I think that my american fellow lack of "esprit critique" but well ... they are not arrogant frog like me :D


I have to say here that I hate modern commies at least once in two months.

Anyway, for majority of the public here "commie" doesn't mean anything but "enemy",  "amazinhunk", chose any bad word here, simply because they have been told this on TV. 90% are unable to tell the difference between socialism and communism, and sbout 50% don't see the difference between nazism and "communism".

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« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2002, 12:33:37 PM »
Yes the US used a nuclear bomb. AFAIK, there's still several nations out there with nuclear bombs that are not on our list of countries that shouldn't have them.

Do you honestly believe that a country with a crazy dictator deserves to have weapons of mass destruction?

I don't care if France or Russia are on the UN and have their hands in it. If they disagree with what the US wants to do, and Saddam turns right on around and starts taking people out with nukes, or chemicals, or bio weapons, then we (the US) get to blame France and Russia for sitting on their hands with their thumbs up their ass.

Of course, in the end the US will get blamed... nature of the beast.

If you think the world is simply going to correct itself, that just is not going to happen.

Without  the US, despite what many people think, the world would be in a world of hurt.
-SW
« Last Edit: November 20, 2002, 12:35:54 PM by AKS\/\/ulfe »

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« Reply #110 on: November 20, 2002, 01:25:45 PM »
Well, Naso says exactly what I think. And being a citizen ofa "free world" he gets much more attention then me, imbecilic communist bastard... /*BTW, that definition by the Warbirds "producer" is the funniest thing I have read in years, so I had to put it into my signature. It's a beautiful example that any Russian doing something that is "wrong" automaticaly becomes "i.c.b.".*/

Yes the US used a nuclear bomb. AFAIK, there's still several nations out there with nuclear bombs that are not on our list of countries that shouldn't have them.

Who the hell are you to decide!?

North Korea have chosen it's way, and they are living in their own way, not disturbing others. It's quite reasonable that they don't want to be bombed "to stone age" again, and they simply have to protect themselves by threatening their deadly enemy with nukes.

They know what they'll see if they let enemy attack them. But this time they'll not have volunteers from Russia and China fighting for them...


I don't care if France or Russia are on the UN and have their hands in it. If they disagree with what the US wants to do, and Saddam turns right on around and starts taking people out with nukes, or chemicals, or bio weapons, then we (the US) get to blame France and Russia for sitting on their hands with their thumbs up their ass.

If any country will use nukes first in an agressive war - both Russia and France will simply turn it into a hot glass. That's how it works, and the only reason why you guys could afford burning hundreeds of thousands of civilians in 1945 was that noone could give you an adequate answer. Noone uses nukes now only because it will cause an attack from other nuclear-capable countries, and everyone knows it. For example: a massive launch from China will result in both Russia and US launching at them, regardless of what was China's target.

Without the US, despite what many people think, the world would be in a world of hurt.

Tell this to Koreans, Vietnamese, Lybians and Serbs.

You guys are famous for fighting holy war with communism killing millions just because they were in a wrong place in a wrong time. No wonder that people who were your targets still pray at Soviet volunteer SAM operators.

You say USSR was evil? Now please compare Vietnam and Afghanistan, as the results of a "victory" of red and blue sides.

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« Reply #111 on: November 20, 2002, 01:30:27 PM »
The reason I ignore you Boroda is because you're full of toejam... but I'll reply to your Vietnam/Afghanistan line..

Well, my dad was sent to Vietnam. The South Vietnamese were very happy to have the US there. They were ecstatic to fight alongside US guys to push back the North Vietnamese. They didn't want to become Commie just as much as we didn't want them to become Commie.

If it weren't for popular opinion and the world, they could of gone into North Vietnam at full strength and won.

As for Afghanistan, I don't even know what you are talking about.
-SW
« Last Edit: November 20, 2002, 01:34:42 PM by AKS\/\/ulfe »

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« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2002, 01:40:00 PM »
Vietnam: a stable and relatively prosperous state that is not agressive and lives in peace since 1979.

Afghanistan: country run by gangsters and religious fanatics raised on US money, tremendous loss of poulation since 1989, a base of international terrorists and drug-dealers, remaining a direct threat to it's neighbours, that have to ask for Russian military assistance. Also please notice that "successfull" American operation "decisive something" or "enduring democracy" or " prospering revenge" whatever you called it I can't remember didn't reduce the number of terrorist gangs and drug smugglers at the Tajik border guarded by 201st Motorinfantry division and Commonwealth border guards.

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« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2002, 01:44:56 PM »
Vietnam: a stable and relatively prosperous state that is not agressive and lives in peace since 1979.

Yeah... uhm... what happened between 1975 and 1979?

Tell me that... Exactly, North Vietnam and South Vietnam were still fighting.

Nice that you can ignore those missing 4 years.

I suppose we can ignore 4 years from Afghanistan's timeline too then...
-SW

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« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2002, 02:05:41 PM »
Boroda-

Naso gets respect because he acknowledges his country has soiled hands just like we do. He doesn't merely come in with the "you are ignorant and propagandized" stance like, I dunno... you?

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but I have a srong belief that planned economics is much more efficient in case of emergency then the free market.


That's a keeper. Better to be relatively poor all the time than to have the ability to plan ahead and work for a higher standard of living, eh? Couldn't risk an economic downturn. ;)

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« Reply #115 on: November 21, 2002, 02:05:06 AM »
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Yes the US used a nuclear bomb. AFAIK, there's still several nations out there with nuclear bombs that are not on our list of countries that shouldn't have them.


So, it's not the possession of a mass destruction device that let a nation "win" the honor to be in the "evil list".
Maybe to "win" this nice prize there must be another reason, maybe to refuse to be a puppet (hint hint). :)

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Do you honestly believe that a country with a crazy dictator deserves to have weapons of mass destruction?


NO!

Neither a nation that is dangerously prone to force the others to act at his wills.

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I don't care if France or Russia are on the UN and have their hands in it. If they disagree with what the US wants to do, and Saddam turns right on around and starts taking people out with nukes, or chemicals, or bio weapons, then we (the US) get to blame France and Russia for sitting on their hands with their thumbs up their ass.


Again, "with us or against us".

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Of course, in the end the US will get blamed... nature of the beast.


Maybe it's blamed for some real reason.

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If you think the world is simply going to correct itself, that just is not going to happen.

Without  the US, despite what many people think, the world would be in a world of hurt.
-SW [/B]


Check Afrika, it's already "in a world of hurt", but, since it's not disturbing US economy, or interests (a part the weapons producers, LOL, think if they start to have peace threaty and stop to kill each other, maybe the US will interfere to protect the weapons producers interests), is left alone to slowly die.

This frigging "policeman of the word" posture it's a joke, and someone that show to believe it it's for sure not an open mind person.

Again, the US it's not acting like this for "the freedom and protection of the world" :rolleyes:.

You are showing (on the other side of the coin) the same nationalistic and blind attitude that you criticize so much in Boroda.

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« Reply #116 on: November 21, 2002, 08:49:11 AM »
actually baroda... communists, socialists and facists are all my enemy.   I don't want them affecting my life.
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« Reply #117 on: November 21, 2002, 10:59:29 AM »
EDIT: Nevermind, useless to discuss something with someone who is just going to call anyone from the US who doesn't hate their government "nationalistic and blind".
-SW
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« Reply #118 on: November 21, 2002, 11:55:14 AM »
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Vietnam: a stable and relatively prosperous state that is not agressive and lives in peace since 1979.

Yeah... uhm... what happened between 1975 and 1979?

Tell me that... Exactly, North Vietnam and South Vietnam were still fighting.

Nice that you can ignore those missing 4 years.

I suppose we can ignore 4 years from Afghanistan's timeline too then...
-SW


Trap worked.

SW, I hate to say it, but I have to repeat that you need to go to history class.  Very sad.

There was peace in Vietnam in 75-79. In 1979 they had a war with China, and won it.

Please tell me what do you think about my comparison. This time without silly bashing.

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« Reply #119 on: November 21, 2002, 12:08:12 PM »
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Trap worked.

SW, I hate to say it, but I have to repeat that you need to go to history class.  Very sad.

There was peace in Vietnam in 75-79. In 1979 they had a war with China, and won it.

Please tell me what do you think about my comparison. This time without silly bashing.


It wasn't until the North Vietnamese overran the South Vietnamese that your version of "peace" could take place.

So you can say, "ours was a success"... but it wasn't, the vietcong had to invade, kill many south vietnamese, and then occupy.

Not to mention economic reconstruction of the country has proven difficult, to this day.

Lots of lives lost, over executions because they did not fit in with the communist way.

If you can call that a victory, then I guess mass-genocide is the answer to everything?
-SW