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"N. Korea claims nuke"
« on: November 18, 2002, 03:30:16 AM »
"North Korea has a nuclear weapon, Pyongyang Radio reported tonight. The revelation comes a month after the communist nation admitted it had a clandestine weapons program. North Korea has since said the crisis could be settled if the U.S. backed off its "hostile policy" toward the country."

Weapons of mass destruction.... (no inspectors neccessary)...... owned by a country who has full membership in the Axis of Evil.....

This is going to be a very long "war on terrorism".

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2002, 03:40:35 AM »
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"North Korea has a nuclear weapon, Pyongyang Radio reported tonight.
 


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"N. Korea claims nuke"
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2002, 04:03:52 AM »
Well... appearently they have the uranium to make a couple, but this would certainly be a new development...

No one this side of N. Korea knows for sure yet...

Still, it's a thing. White House administration officials hinting at something here:

"If the North Koreans were indicating in the report they have enough enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon, "that would make it more proximate for us to have to do something about it," a senior administration official said.

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"N. Korea claims nuke"
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2002, 04:17:26 AM »
They can't possibly have a nuclear weapon. They can't even be researching how to make one.

You see, former President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton long ago proudly informed the U.S.A. that one of his greatest achievements in foreign policy was convincing the leadership of N. Korea to in essence 'Give Peace A Chance', and because they *promised* President Clinton that they would stop all research into nuclear weapons, the U.S. (on the orders of President Clinton, against the advice of those annoying military and intelligence types that all of President Clinton's appointees thought were 'like, totally uncool') then gave N. Korea alot of money, and helped them build some nuclear reactors.

Also, former President Jimmy Carter - you know, the one who is so critical of the current administration's 'overly aggressive stance with other Nations', well, he got his NOBEL PEACE PRIZE based largely on his ability to 'talk sense with them N. Koreans'.

Remember this when you see certain Democrats begin to criticize how the U.S. attempts to deal with N. Korea over this situation.

Jimmy Cater and Arafat...man has the Nobel Peace Prize been a bomb in recent history or what?

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"N. Korea claims nuke"
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2002, 04:17:58 AM »
Analysts have been saying NK has had a nuke since 1995, give or take a year.  The difference with NK is (and has been) that they have not shown a propensity to utilize WMD.

....how dumb would it be of NK to deny (or continue to) having what we "know" they have?  Considering the current state of affairs.

I tend to think NK is simply taking advantage of a situation to further thier own interests (namely security).  It's not like they are going to threaten SK any more than they already have, and it's not likely China views thier admittance to nukes as a good thing really.
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"N. Korea claims nuke"
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2002, 07:25:15 AM »
w00t.

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2002, 07:37:29 AM »
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North Korea has finally admitted that it has been pursuing the development of nuclear weapons despite promises to the contrary. In 1994, in a deal engineered in part by Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter, the Clinton administration tried to bribe North Korea into abandoning its nuclear intentions. In return for a pile of cash, an annual supply of fuel oil, and new, supposedly proliferation-resistant nuclear reactors, North Korea agreed to freeze plutonium production at its nuclear facilities north of Pyongyang.

The deal became known as the Agreed Framework; but North Korea also promised to remain in the Non-Proliferation Treaty and live up to its obligations under the International Atomic Energy Agreement nuclear safeguards program.

In short, the Clinton administration thought it had bought off North Korea. What started as a limited accomplishment would soon be touted as a "major diplomatic success" for an administration short on such successes. Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright and others also scored it as a major achievement in their campaign to stop the spread of nuclear weapons.

Over the years, the intelligence community raised "concerns" about covert activities in North Korea, but the White House and State Department usually dismissed these as worst-case scenarios based on sketchy evidence.

Now the State Department reports that North Korea considers the Agreed Framework "nullified." If true, this suggests some very ominous "worst-case" scenarios largely forgotten or ignored by the media.

First, as part of the Agreed Framework, the North Koreans insisted that the U.S. refurbish and preserve a storage pool full of spent fuel rods, recently dumped from its production reactor. Many in the U.S. Energy Department, which eventually cleaned and canned the rods, thought this a bad idea and said so at that time. The White House and State Department, however, were intent on closing the deal and ignored those warnings.

Should they now opt to reprocess this fuel, Pyongyang would have enough plutonium for about five nuclear warheads, thanks to the Clinton administration and American taxpayers. That would be in addition to the plutonium the U.S. judged the North Koreans had produced by 1994, believed to be enough for two, possibly three nuclear warheads. An intelligence community estimate last December strongly implied that North Korea had already fabricated these weapons.

At the time of the agreement, there was much concern inside the intelligence community that North Korea would cheat on the deal by pursuing other routes to the development of nuclear warheads. The alternative to plutonium is highly enriched uranium (HEU), which is most commonly produced using gas centrifuges.

In 1999, the Washington Times reported that the North Koreans had tried to buy electrical components for gas centrifuges from Japan, but the sale was blocked. Now they have admitted what that suggested – that they had started secretly to produce weapons using highly enriched uranium. The facilities it requires are more easily hidden than the reactors that produce plutonium.

The State Department says that it has acquired evidence of North Korea's HEU production only recently. It is easy to understand why the Clinton administration would try to conceal the fact that the agreement with North Korea was an extremely costly blunder. We have poured $100 million a year in fuel and food into North Korea to keep Kim Jong-il from developing nuclear warheads, all in vain.

The continuation of this largesse in the first two years of the Bush administration raises the question of why it took so long to find that North Korea was cheating. In addition, U.S. diplomats in Pyongyang have been told that North Korea has "more powerful things as well," apparently a reference to its extensive chemical and biological weapons programs.

Many suspect that North Korea acquired gas centrifuges from Pakistan as payment for North Korean long-range missiles supplied in the late 1990s. North Korea actively markets several long-range missile systems to Iran, Egypt, Syria and others to generate revenue for its weapons-of-mass-destruction programs.

All this could throw a monkey wrench into the administration's plans for Iraq. North Korea, for example, could use this as a pretext to return to testing of a missile capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to targets in the United States.

Some of President Bush's critics have asked why he included North Korea in his "axis of evil." Last week's disclosures have answered that question. Like Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-il is a cruel tyrant who starves his subjects to maintain a huge army and produce weapons of mass destruction. He has shown that his word is worthless
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2002, 07:43:28 AM »
IIRC Soviet press reported that PDRK has nuclear bomb since mid-80s, but never tested it because it could uncover the fact. I have read it in maybe 1989, with some KGB reports quoted. It could be true, but I doubt the documents were real.

Anyway, why can't a souverign nation develop it's own weapons? AFAIK there is a treaty about not spreading nuclear weapons, but nothing about development.

I think that a country facing such an agressive enemy as the US has the only chance to protect it's independance - to create it's own weapons of mass destruction. They simply have to state that they posess nuclear weapons if they want to be left alone.

If they'll use nukes in an offencive operation against Southern Korea - they'll face an adequate answer from Russia, China and US.

The whole idea of "axis of evil" reminds me about anti-Comintern pact.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2002, 07:58:10 AM »
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I think that a country facing such an agressive enemy as the US has the only chance to protect it's independance - to create it's own weapons of mass destruction. They simply have to state that they posess nuclear weapons if they want to be left alone.
The whole idea of "axis of evil" reminds me about anti-Comintern pact.



The USSR occupied a large chunk of Eastern Europe for what 40 years?  

Man if only they had had nukes !

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2002, 08:10:54 AM »
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The USSR occupied a large chunk of Eastern Europe for what 40 years?  

Man if only they had had nukes !


Occupied?! Eastern Europe? For how many years?!

Peace treaty with Germany was signed in 1955. And AFAIK Germany isn't "Eastern Europe".

Post-war border lines in Europe were declared unchangable on Helsinki congress in 1975. Is there anything about occupation in that documents?!

Another wonder of American education? Did they tell you at school that US, UK and France occupied Germany too?

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2002, 08:13:38 AM »
Boroda do the following name recall you something ?

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2002, 08:42:06 AM »
So the Berlin Wall was actually there to keep people from rushing into the Soviet side, as opposed to out?  Regardless of what was said on a piece of paper, half of Germany was occupied by the USSR.


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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2002, 08:44:31 AM »
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So the Berlin Wall was actually there to keep people from rushing into the Soviet side, as opposed to out?
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2002, 08:58:59 AM »
Straffo, it was restoration of constitutional order, not occupation. I hope you see the difference. And it was performed by Warsaw Treaty troops, not by Soviet army.

Or do you expect Socialist Block governments to wait until enemy from across the ocean will deploy nuclear missiles there like they did in Turkey?
 
I thought we were talking about DPRK nukes. Why not tell me about innocent Chechens right now? :rolleyes:

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2002, 09:06:45 AM »
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So the Berlin Wall was actually there to keep people from rushing into the Soviet side, as opposed to out?  Regardless of what was said on a piece of paper, half of Germany was occupied by the USSR.
SOB


Then you have to admit that all Western Europe except France in 1966-99 and some non-aligned countries is still occupied by the US? "Regardless of what is said on a piece of paper"?