Author Topic: "N. Korea claims nuke" (Read 2906 times)

Eagler · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:09:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Then you have to admit that all Western Europe except France in 1966-99 and some non-aligned countries is still occupied by the US? "Regardless of what is said on a piece of paper"?

yeah, identical

SOB · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:16:07 AM »

You are a funny Communist Clown, Boroda. Do a dance and make me a balloon sculpture in the shape of the birth mark on Gorbechev's birthmark!

SOB

straffo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:21:10 AM »

that's a theorical answer ... nothing more

Thrawn · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:34:52 AM »

Before everyone goes around blaming everyone.

"However, a South Korean Unification Ministry official told CNN Monday he could not be sure whether the radio announcer said North Korea "has come to have nuclear weapons" or that it is "entitled to have nuclear weapons" because the difference in interpretation is a matter of a single syllable. "

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/11/18/nkorea.nukes/index.html

Kieran · « **Reply #19 on:** November 18, 2002, 09:54:28 AM »

I see. So the Eastern Block countries all volunteered to be part of the Soviet Union... wait, what happened? Why are they all now vying for independence?

Boroda · « **Reply #20 on:** November 18, 2002, 10:24:36 AM »

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Originally posted by SOB
You are a funny Communist Clown, Boroda. Do a dance and make me a balloon sculpture in the shape of the birth mark on Gorbechev's birthmark!
SOB

Following this style of discussion I should call you a brainwashed idiot and offer you to keep drinking your pissy-cola.

But I think it's better to ask you what's the difference between Soviet army group in Germany and yankee troops in NATO countries. Also please name socialist countries that had Soviet army bases, and compare the number to NATO countries. Also ask Toad to name all the US plans of nuclear attack against socialist countries since 1946. After completing this homework you can relax and think of freedom and democracy for half an hour.

Back to the topic.

I think that translation can be the real problem. I'll not be surprised if they simply want to say that any reasonable dialogue with the US is impossible and they are free of any obligations regarding nuclear weapon development.

Boroda · « **Reply #21 on:** November 18, 2002, 10:45:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
I see. So the Eastern Block countries all volunteered to be part of the Soviet Union... wait, what happened? Why are they all now vying for independence?

It's like talking to a 3 year old... I quit.

One question: when did Texas and Italy join the United States?

Go buy yourself a map.

I am f$%king tired of people who say things like "Yugoslavia is a former Soviet republic" or "CzSSR means Czechoslovakian Soviet Socialist Republic".

midnight Target · « **Reply #22 on:** November 18, 2002, 11:17:05 AM »

And you freakin cheated in the 1972 Olympic Basketball final!!!!!

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #23 on:** November 18, 2002, 11:47:55 AM »

Boroda, occupation entails adopting(in a forced upon kind of way)) the occupying country's regime.

Every country was occupied by the USSR, they had to adopt communism.

Very few countries, if any, have adopted democracy because the US don't occupy...
-SW

Boroda · « **Reply #24 on:** November 18, 2002, 12:10:36 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Boroda, occupation entails adopting(in a forced upon kind of way)) the occupying country's regime.

Every country was occupied by the USSR, they had to adopt communism.

Very few countries, if any, have adopted democracy because the US don't occupy...
-SW

According to Grand Soviet Encyclopedia "occupation" (îêêóïàöèÿ, okkupatsiya) means presence of armed forces on foreign territory during the state of hostilities. It is described by Hague and Geneva conventions 1899 and 1907. During occupation the authority of occupied state is abandoned and replaced by military administraton of occupant.

Military occupation must be separated from post-war occupation, set by international agreements of interested states in order to ensure the observance of peace conditions.

Soviet encylopedia, 3rd edition, article about "occupation".

Did Austria adopt "communism"?

Please define "democracy" that "noone adopted" because "US didn't occupy". Did US occupy Germany? Did US occupy France? Did USSR occupy Yugoslavia? Did USSR occupy Germany?

When you use terms clearly defined by International laws - please watch what you say.

Gman · « **Reply #25 on:** November 18, 2002, 12:12:04 PM »

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And you freakin cheated in the 1972 Olympic Basketball final!!!!!

Lmfao!!!

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #26 on:** November 18, 2002, 12:31:14 PM »

Forcefully invaded, occupied, and maintained authority over them.

That's what Russia did.

The US moved in, liberated, SOME US/allied forces remained there... but they did not have to adopt our government.

Not to mention we did not acquire them as our own states... which Russia effectively did.

Sorry, but that's the way it is... Communist Russia could not wipe it's foibles from the pages of everyone else's history.
-SW

Boroda · « **Reply #27 on:** November 18, 2002, 01:21:30 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Forcefully invaded, occupied, and maintained authority over them.

That's what Russia did.

Really?!

So - Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were "forcefully invaded"? Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria were occupied? Authority was maintained in Austria?!

I am really interested in reading your history books.

I gave you a clear definition of "occupation". And you keep on wistling your propaganda crap into my ears.

Not speaking about the fact that post-war European situation was completely based on mutual agreements of Allies, one of whom was the US.

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

The US moved in, liberated, SOME US/allied forces remained there... but they did not have to adopt our government.

Tell me the number of Russians in post-war Eastern European governments.

I can tell you a few names, but I want you to do some research or simply ask Toad.

Didn't US put it's government in American zone in Korea? Didn't it do the same thing in Western occupation zones in Germany, including part of Berlin? Also please look at the dates of the above-mentioned events.

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

Not to mention we did not acquire them as our own states... which Russia effectively did.

Hmmm... The planet where I live, and the history of which I think we are discussing is called Earth, the third planet from the star called Sol. Maybe you are talking about different planet?

What countries did USSR aquire as "it's own states", or, to be more precise, as Soviet Republics after military occupation? Eastern Prussia doesn't count, it was a military prize, a small compensation for German occupation and a part of former Russian Empire.

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe

Sorry, but that's the way it is... Communist Russia could not wipe it's foibles from the pages of everyone else's history.
-SW

Unfortunately your history teachers and TV brainwashers have a very sick imagination. And they traditionaly spit on international laws, agreements and documents, substituting them by their weird fantasies.

So far you didn't answer any of my questions.

I understand that I speak Soviet propaganda now, but it's supported by international treaties and laws, while all your arguments are based on a false assumptions that "communism is evil" and "everyone knows it". And you use the wrong definition of the term "occupation".

It was a WAR between two systems, and each one had it's pros and cons. USSR and US both fought for survival of their political regimes and traditional values, so there was no "right" or "wrong" side there. Let's call it "Red side" and "Blue side" like on military maps. You know, on Russian maps "our" side is always marked red

Thrawn · « **Reply #28 on:** November 18, 2002, 01:30:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
So - Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were "forcefully invaded"?

Yes, it was forcefully invaded. And don't give me that crap about being invited.

I know some Czech families that were in Prague during the Prague spring you twisted little commie.

Go revise history somewhere else.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #29 on:** November 18, 2002, 01:31:29 PM »

Funny, you are talking about brainwashing and propoganda... yet you were raised in a communist country...

That's where this "discussion" began, and that's where it will end...

US government didn't take control of any (except Germany) WWII countries that it liberated.

Communist Russia, OTOH... well...

As for occupation... you use Communist definition, I use freeworld definition:
2 a : the possession, use, or settlement of land : OCCUPANCY b : the holding of an office or position
3 a : the act or process of taking possession of a place or area : SEIZURE b : the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force c : the military force occupying a country or the policies carried out by it

Notice how occupy and seizure go hand in hand... That's exactly what Russia did.
-SW