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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2002, 03:39:18 PM »
Nash, the issue isn't what the US would/would not have done; the hijack issue is Boroda's denial of the USSR having ever occupied any territory against the wishes of its people. It's ludicrous beyond all imagination.

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« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2002, 03:48:37 PM »
Oh I see. No question there then Kieren.

If you want to talk about whether it was strategically and morally wrong for them to have done so (in otherwords judge their actions) then that's a different story.

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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2002, 05:10:54 PM »
In light of current events, how could I argue otherwise? Of course the US will look after its own interests, as will any other country.

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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2002, 05:32:39 PM »
So.......care to point out why the "white knight" so called conservatives in the House & Senate didn't block or stymie this initiative?

After all.....EVERYONE knows so called "conservatives" are always right, and on the side of truth, justice, and the American way....

Or could the truth be they were all for it too?

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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2002, 06:02:30 PM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
SWulfe, Canada is a tad bigger then Cuba.

Soviets could have used Canada as a lauching point for broad invasion into hte US.


Cuban missile crisis, we had ample reason to invade and occupy... But, in case you didn't notice, we haven't invaded countries without just cause. Communism wouldn't of been just cause, an attack would of been.


Oh yeah, the US would have invaded.


Maybe, but that's the what-if... What if Canada became Communist... would they have even made it?

What if indeed.
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« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2002, 07:13:55 PM »
Boroda, what do you expect from Americans who've been hearing nothing but propaganda all their lives?

Such a pointless discussion.

Anyways: Someone set us up the bomb.

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« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2002, 07:31:40 PM »
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So are you suggesting that Boroda is right and the Russians never occupied territory without the invitation of the "host" countries? Are you suggesting the Eastern Block was a voluntary coalition? If so, why the dissolution of the USSR? Hmmm.

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« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2002, 07:35:00 PM »
Capitalist subversion. No one can resist the temptation of a large Coke and Big Mac.

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« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2002, 07:57:23 PM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
Following this style of discussion I should call you a brainwashed idiot and offer you to keep drinking your pissy-cola.
 


who needs pissy-cola if you can have the latest in communist refreshments. Ahhh,  yummy soda with or without fruit juice.

This one is from communist Poland, but when I was in Moskaw I saw the same thing.

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« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2002, 08:44:06 PM »
"Someone set us up the bomb."

Yegads yet another thing I've seen here that's gonna drive me crazy until I figure out where I've heard it. I'm just going to go ahead and ask... What's this from?

Nevermind - I just googlized it. From the "yer bases belong to us" thing. Someone needs to get that line into a song.

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« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2002, 09:35:13 PM »
If they have nukes, nuke France...are they in range?

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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2002, 07:43:42 AM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
Anyway, why can't a souverign nation develop it's own weapons? AFAIK there is a treaty about not spreading nuclear weapons, but nothing about development.


Sorry, I was distracted by yet another re-fight of the cold war. I'm not sure if this was addressed or not, so forgive me if I'm going over something already covered.

The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) is indeed designed to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons. However, towards this end, the treaty seperates the world into the "Haves" and the "Have Nots"  The "haves" included the US, USSR, UK, France, and China. Everyone else was a "Have Not"

Pakistan and India have never signed the treaty because of Article II of the treaty which states that:
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 Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes not to receive the transfer from any transferor whatsoever of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or of control over such weapons or explosive devices directly, or indirectly; not to manufacture or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices; and not to seek or receive any assistance in the manufacture of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.

At the time (1968) neither country had tested a nuclear weapon, but both countries had active programs. North Korea entered into this agreement in the late 80s if I recall. You may remember that the 1993 "crisis" started when North Korea threatened to withdraw from the treaty. The US sent Jimmy Carter over there to hand out a truckload of "Dane Geld" so that the North Korean's would shelve their program, and maintain compliance with the treaty. It is my belief that this current noise we've been hearing is just another appeal for hush money.  But that's just me.

BTW, the full text of the NPT can be found at http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/npt/text/npt2.htm
(sorry, the UN GA 1st page was assed up this morning).

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« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2002, 10:10:51 AM »
I have a few questions for Boroda and Username...

How many flag burnings (your flag, not the US flag) have you witnessed in your country?

How many times has your government been openly and viciously attacked by it citizens in your domestic newspaper articles?

How many protests have you seen in the streets?

How many opposition (as in, diametrically opposed to the status quo government) parties are on your ballot each election?

What percentage of your population privately owns guns?

I ask these questions because my propagandized news outlets carry information about many countries in the world, but I have relatively few views into the utopian worlds of North Korea and Russia. Granted, since about 1990 the news from Russia is easier to get, but still...

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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2002, 10:16:56 AM »
And yer women sprinters are all on ROIDS!!

Cheaters!!!!!

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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2002, 12:07:03 PM »
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Boroda:

I was rasied in the United States.  Here they taught us that you red bastards were simply evil and we, the white light at the end of the tunnel, were the only thing stopping you from world domination.

You were raised in the former CCCP.  There you were taught that us capitalist bastards were simply evil and you, the red light at the end of the tunnel, were the only thing stopping us from world domination.

That about sum it up?


Agreed.

I have many times said that both pictures from East and West are incomplete. On this board I try to show the Eastern view, because I hate the Western propaganda, mostly based on nazi inventions.

And I go absolutely mad when our own TV feeds us nazi/yankee view on history accusing Soviet people of all possible sins.

Often I speak things I don't believe myself.

Ok, let me answer some nonsence I read below :)