How many here believe in evolution?

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by mrfish
"can i get a witness "

That's a good song,but here's one better.



Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

[Toad]

I believe Evolution was a great Beatles song....


You say you want a evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for weazels with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want keep the Second, Fred
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

[davidpt40]

Evolution and christianity do NOT have to be at odds with each other.  My biology professor, who is an evolutionary biologist, is also on the board of directors at his church.

What does it matter if Genesis is symbolic, or even if it is erroneous?  Heck, the entire old testament does not even matter.  As long as a person believes what happened in the New Testament is true and factual, they can still be considered a Christian.

Not to get off on a religious rant here, but this life would be pretty sucky if all you did was live for a few years,die, and thats it.

[SirLoin]

Originally posted by davidpt40
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"Not to get off on a religious rant here, but this life would be pretty sucky if all you did was live for a few years,die, and thats it."

That's why God was invented.

Gotta keep the masses doped on violence,religion and TV.

[OIO]

You fellas gotta listen to THE PROPHET George Carlin and his views on religions

[Blank]

Why arent we still evolving? Everything just stopped Evolving for no reason? And there are no more "Inbetween" evelution species left like half man half ape, or fish with legs??

evolution takes along time unless its a freak mutation, and as such we are still evolving. I think the average heigh and lifespan of a human has increased (dont quote me on that)

inbetween species of half man/ half ape well you look fossil record and there are quite a few, all died out though, remember neanderthal man and the first modern humans were around at the same time but like everything else we wiped them out i.e survival of the fittest/evolution.

fish with legs - please see 'mudskippers' ,'coelacanth' or for a nice example  try a frog which obviously cant exist as it starts its life with gills swimming in water like a fish then grows legs and walks on land breathing our air, crazy little fella  

[myelo]

y'all come on!

Fish is trying but he can't do it alone.

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by mrfish

is there ANY christian out there reading this bbs that believes the clay/rib story of creation and the noah's ark story as written or are you all in the "figurative" camp?

can i get a witness or what!?!?! if not a witness can i at least get a friggin halelujah!

Absolutely. I believe the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, Holy word of God. And all that it contains is true.

But I will not be drawn into this discussion, it would take way more time than I have to and quite honestly, I have been down that road before and know what the end result is.  No need for a repeat:).

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Blank
evolution takes along time unless its a freak mutation, and as such we are still evolving. I think the average heigh and lifespan of a human has increased (dont quote me on that)

inbetween species of half man/ half ape well you look fossil record and there are quite a few, all died out though, remember neanderthal man and the first modern humans were around at the same time but like everything else we wiped them out i.e survival of the fittest/evolution.

fish with legs - please see 'mudskippers' ,'coelacanth' or for a nice example  try a frog which obviously cant exist as it starts its life with gills swimming in water like a fish then grows legs and walks on land breathing our air, crazy little fella  

The average lifespan for a human has increased. That has got verly little to do with evolution though, and more to do with improvements in our ability to care for our sick and wounded.

You wont find any "mid-stages" in the fossile record. That is something that has frustrated evolutionists since 1800-whatver when Darwin came up with his theory. You will find a lot of different species, but you wont ever find any mid-stage creature.

I must have missed your point about the frogs. So they are born with gills and then they live on land..so what? What, in your opinion does that prove? Isnt it the same with a human baby? In the womb it lives in water, then it is born and starts to breathe air.

[bounder]

I must have missed your point about the frogs. So they are born with gills and then they live on land..so what? What, in your opinion does that prove? Isnt it the same with a human baby? In the womb it lives in water, then it is born and starts to breathe air

Human fetuses don't have gills, they get their oxygen through the placenta from the mother.

Amphibian young hatch from eggs, swim like fish with external gills and eat algae. gradually they grow legs and their gills atrophy, they then climb out of the water, but must return to water to breed.

Remember, Humans share 97% of their DNA with chimps, and something like 50% of their DNA with bananas; makes you think huh? Not sure what about though...

Evolution is a nice theory, it fits the observable facts quite well, but is by no means complete or exhaustive. I suspect that the general principle of natural selection does work but the detail is going to be a lot more complex, possibly incomputable.

Humans are animals. Those of us not blessed with direct religious experience can have no other conclusion. I am still waiting for a religious experience I do not induce in myself (entheogenesis) so that I can make a direct qualitative comparison.

[Karnak]

"Believing" in evolution is no more scientific than believing in God.  Evolution is not a belief system, it is not a religion.  Evolution is a scientific theory (the word "theory" does not mean what most lay people think it means, it is not synonomous with "rough guess") and as such it will be the main line of biological research regarding origins until there is data that breaks the theory.  It does not include any moral instructions, impicit or otherwise.  It makes no comment on the existance or non-existance of higher powers.

Evolution is currently the explanation that best fits the available data.  The macro concept of evolution is as close to scientific fact as we can get.  The micro concepts are constantly being altered and updated as new data changes our understanding.

All of this is, of course, contingent on the fact that nobody has found any data to prove evolution wrong.

[ccvi]

Originally posted by weazel
An imaginary being said:

LET THERE BE LIGHT!

And we evolved from there.

Some even stopped before


PS: Scientific knowledge is valid. Until proved wrong. Atoms are unsplittable. The speed of sound is a limit. 640k ought to be enough for anybody. Don't even try to imagine what's next.

[cajun]

Originally posted by mrfish
so does that mean you believe the stories or not thrawn? if not, then why did god put them there? does he often ramble on about stuff he really doesn't mean? do you think god maybe has a drinking problem?

does your unique, "self-help-section-at-borders-books" approach to christianity involve throwing out the parts you don't like to make it more pallatable or to avoid logical disconnects ?

is there ANY christian out there reading this bbs that believes the clay/rib story of creation and the noah's ark story as written or are you all in the "figurative" camp?

can i get a witness or what!?!?! if not a witness can i at least get a friggin halelujah!

If your talking about my post I suggest u read it much more carefully because you are obviously confused. I was speaking of Catholicism "branch out" of Christianity at the end.
You either believe in the Bible 100% or u don't beleive in Christianity.

[Mathman]

Originally posted by Hortlund
You wont find any "mid-stages" in the fossile record. That is something that has frustrated evolutionists since 1800-whatver when Darwin came up with his theory. You will find a lot of different species, but you wont ever find any mid-stage creature.

Archeopteryx

[Holden McGroin]

My theory is that entropy explains it all.  The unescapable trend from order to disorder.  We are actually devolving from a higher life form, and lower SAT scores, political correctness, and the trek from Mozart to Eminem are evidence that I am right.