Author Topic: How many here believe in evolution? (Read 14545 times)

mrfish · « **Reply #75 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:06:17 PM »

right on brother ammo! at least someone still has some cahones around here. i'd rather be at odds with an all out christian than submerged in this lukewarm sea of sissiness.

as far as your hesitance to debate your own religion's assertions, all this bbs's christians keep playing that "i'd only get bashed card" of martyrdom which is a little dissappointing and suggests to me that the real problem is that you're out of ammo - but at least you own up in general

my regards

"What does it matter if Genesis is symbolic, or even if it is erroneous? Heck, the entire old testament does not even matter. As long as a person believes what happened in the New Testament is true and factual, they can still be considered a Christian.

you christians gonna sit back and take that? the only things made irrelevant about the old testament were some of the dietary, temple and sabbath laws not the whole thing!!!!

the very authority of your religion rests on the messianic prophecies of the old testament - isaah if i recall but i'm working on memory here - i would hardly consider it irrelevant.

more fun anyone?

since the noah story is pivotal in any debate about E vs C maybe someone can explain how the polar bears, penguins and species native only to australia and south america got on the ark which was presumably built in the middle east. and how they were let of on seperate continents while you're at it...

it must have taken noah years to collect all those species- oh wait, we can just play the divine intervention card and say the polar bears were divinely inspired to walk down to judea one day right - as if in a trance, they suddenly decided to call up el al and price a ticket to tel aviv-

"look hezekiah, is that a polar bear?"
"vhat the...oy vay!"

they musta flipped their yalmukahs when they say that

Samm · « **Reply #76 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:19:49 PM »

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Originally posted by davidpt40
Not to get off on a religious rant here, but this life would be pretty sucky if all you did was live for a few years,die, and thats it.

Why do you say that ?

Sandman · « **Reply #77 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:20:18 PM »

Creation isn't theory at all. It's hypothesis.

AFAIK, evolution is fact. Natural selection on the other hand, is theory.

mrfish · « **Reply #78 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:21:09 PM »

since i know i'm not going to get any meaningful dialogue with any christians i'll end my part here.

as soon as your positions are exposed for being nonsensical you run to the realm of "well if you only had faith it'd all magically make sense"

roadkill- evolution is mankind at it's best. people from all backgrounds and walks of life trying to find out from the facts what really happened. there are no good guys and bad guys and no value judgments from evolution, just us working together as a species to figure it out through science, which espouses no absolutes, what really happened. it's far more magical than your child's stories of angels and hell and rib bones....

all christianity and every other religion for that matter represent is a type of friction working against our advancement as a species. thus my frustration. maybe someday you'll let go your blankee and come help us figure out what's really going on.

Samm · « **Reply #79 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:36:59 PM »

Natural selection(evolution) is not a theory . It is why european descendants are the most resistant to HIV and why Africans are the most resistant to malaria . And why mosquitos are more resistant to pesticides then they were five years ago . And why we need new flu vaccines every year . The problem is that people, myself included, cannot comprehend how long a period one million years is, let alone 500 million .

It's similar to my practice of not tipping homely waitresses . Soon the uglier variety will get discouraged and move on to other better paying jobs and become more financially independant . While the good looking waitresses will be encouraged by the extra income of the tips to remain a waitress and consequently stay in a lower tax bracket . This has the end effect of making goodlooking waitress more attracted to schmoes like me . So now if you see me not leave a tip, you needn't ask why .

Hortlund · « **Reply #80 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:43:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Mathman
Archeopteryx

Yes?

Hortlund · « **Reply #81 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:45:17 PM »

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Originally posted by mrfish
since i know i'm not going to get any meaningful dialogue with any christians i'll end my part here.

Since you have that attitude it seems pointless to try to argue with you. Thanks for shutting up.

Kieran · « **Reply #82 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:53:14 PM »

Mr. Fish, while I am tempted to go again, I can't really add anything that didn't appear in the last great thread ("E. vs. C"). Whether you feel any of that was up to standard is your call.

I feel like I am in the same old debates with the same people over and over. Just too busy and too tired at the moment to enter another megathread.

Sandman · « **Reply #83 on:** December 01, 2002, 02:56:44 PM »

Natural selection and evolution are not the same thing.

Natural selection is a theory to explain the mechanism that made evolution possible.

midnight Target · « **Reply #84 on:** December 01, 2002, 03:00:29 PM »

Well Hello Steve!

If you are claiming that the fossil record does not include any intermediates then you have not done your homework sir.

In fact one of the most complete of all the fossil records is for the species Homo Sapiens... Check it out.

(And take that weak watermelon to some other playground)

Sandman · « **Reply #85 on:** December 01, 2002, 03:06:15 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well Hello Steve!

If you are claiming that the fossil record does not include any intermediates then you have not done your homework sir.

In fact one of the most complete of all the fossil records is for the species Homo Sapiens... Check it out.

(And take that weak watermelon to some other playground)

Granted, there are some holes in the evidence... land mammals to whales, reptiles to mammals... etc.

Still, the evidence supports the fact of evolution.

Samm · « **Reply #86 on:** December 01, 2002, 03:09:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
The average lifespan for a human has increased.

Actually they've discovered that lifespan is genetic . At a point in our life our bodies are programmed to slow cellular division . At about 19 years the cellular reproduction slows and cells are dieing faster than they can be replaced . It's why some species of parrot for example only live an average of 30 years and why a defferent species will live an average of 80 . Many animals will die when they reproduce, and it's not because of some trauma incurred from the reproductive proccess . This is not limited to the animal kingdom . Most interesting is a type of tree that will not die unless killed .

Hortlund · « **Reply #87 on:** December 01, 2002, 03:16:50 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Well Hello Steve!

If you are claiming that the fossil record does not include any intermediates then you have not done your homework sir.

In fact one of the most complete of all the fossil records is for the species Homo Sapiens... Check it out.

(And take that weak watermelon to some other playground)

Umm..ever heard of "the missing link" MT?

But ok, I'll play along, since the fossil record for humans is the most complete one, can you please draw a line from homo sapiens sapiens back to the branching off from the apes around 6 million years ago. Most people agree that there is no such path, but there are several holes or "missing links".

But lets stick to the well explored fossile record for the humans. You tell me MT, how many in-betweens have they found? Lets take an interesting period in time, lets say 100 000 years ago. According to the evolutionists, there were three different species of humanoids at that time. Homo Sapiens, Homo Neanderthalis and Homo Heidelbergensis. Thats 3 different species that allegedly evolved in this pattern
Heidelbergensis --> Neanderthalis --> Sapiens

We have found fossiles from the three different species, now I ask you. Have we found any half neanderthal -half Sapiens? or something like that?

(just for clarity, I am claiming that the fossil record does not include any "inbetween-stages" all we have found in the fossil record are different species. We have not found "the in-betweens")

Samm · « **Reply #88 on:** December 01, 2002, 03:20:16 PM »

As for "midstage" creatures, well that's almost every creature that has ever existed . Some living example off of the top of my head . A mammal that lays eggs, fish that are endothermic, fish with lungs, alligator has a four chambered heart . That lobe finned fish that I'm not going to attempt to spell . Oh and then there's all the species of early man .

cajun · « **Reply #89 on:** December 01, 2002, 03:20:26 PM »

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Originally posted by mrfish
right on brother ammo! at least someone still has some cahones around here. i'd rather be at odds with an all out christian than submerged in this lukewarm sea of sissiness.

as far as your hesitance to debate your own religion's assertions, all this bbs's christians keep playing that "i'd only get bashed card" of martyrdom which is a little dissappointing and suggests to me that the real problem is that you're out of ammo - but at least you own up in general my regards

"What does it matter if Genesis is symbolic, or even if it is erroneous? Heck, the entire old testament does not even matter. As long as a person believes what happened in the New Testament is true and factual, they can still be considered a Christian.

you christians gonna sit back and take that? the only things made irrelevant about the old testament were some of the dietary, temple and sabbath laws not the whole thing!!!!

the very authority of your religion rests on the messianic prophecies of the old testament - isaah if i recall but i'm working on memory here - i would hardly consider it irrelevant.

more fun anyone?

since the noah story is pivotal in any debate about E vs C maybe someone can explain how the polar bears, penguins and species native only to australia and south america got on the ark which was presumably built in the middle east. and how they were let of on seperate continents while you're at it...

it must have taken noah years to collect all those species- oh wait, we can just play the divine intervention card and say the polar bears were divinely inspired to walk down to judea one day right - as if in a trance, they suddenly decided to call up el al and price a ticket to tel aviv-

"look hezekiah, is that a polar bear?"
"vhat the...oy vay!"

they musta flipped their yalmukahs when they say that

Why are u ignoring my posts?
Anyway, as for noah & the arc thing, well does ice not float?
Perhaps the great Ice sheets just rose allong with the water, they could still eat cuz its not like all the fish died.