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Offline SlapShot

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« on: December 04, 2002, 01:06:24 PM »
HTC/Pyro ... I believe that the spirit and intentions of this competition were honorable, but if you really think about it, it is very exclusionary, and I feel, its a slap in the face to the rest of us that play your game to its fullest.

You are offering cash prizes to a very select few, who are the smallest contingent of your Aces High population. You are encouraging the "score mongers" to find new ways to finesse the scoring system and then reward them for it. Just rip thru your database, get the last 12 months worth of statistics, average out your numbers, and send the checks out to these pilots now. "Dollars to Donuts", they will be the same pilots that will rise to the top of your scoring platform for the next 4 months anyway. Yes these guys are great pilots but they only play one facet of your game, which I think is the smallest part of the Aces High story.

I think the largest contingent of pilots in Aces High play the "complete" game, and these players will NEVER reach the top 15 spots no matter how good of an air-to-air pilot they are. This is due to the fact that these pilots will be flying bombers, running JABO thru laser ack, upping from and defending fields that are under attack, de-acking bases, sinking Carrier Groups, trying to clear a guys 6 who has 5 cons chasing him, and participating in Ground Vehicle battles. You will not find your top 15 score mongers participating, consistently, in the above mentioned scenarios and especially now that there is a cash award at stake.

If you want to run a "Top Gun" Air-to-Air competition, fine, but at the same time you should offer a JABO competition, a bombing competition, a de-acking competition ... you get the idea. Offering this one exclusionary competition is thumbing your nose at the rest of us and our participation in Aces High.

You have KOTH .. why don't you redesign that platform to achieve the same purpose. Whomever wins the most amount of KOTHs in a month wins the $100.00 and the next top 14 pilots that achieved the most kills within the month get the $50.00 ... Giving money away to those who participate in an event such as that is more palatable and is a true competition. You either win/kill or lose/get killed ... under controlled conditions, no vague/hazy gaminess to that.

If this competition is a marketing ploy, it will appear good from the outside, but those of us on the inside might/do think differently. If you have money to give away, then give it to the "HTC Employee of the Month" if you don't already do that. Your employees are the real "Aces" of Aces High.

Before anybody posts ... "Your sour grapes cause you will never get into the top 15 spots" or something in that vein ...

I DON'T CARE !!!

I don't need HTC's money, I have plenty of my own. I rather enjoy GIVING HTC $15/month to subsidize the development of the "Internet's Premier WWII Combat Experience" and not have my money given to "score mongers".

This post is not intended to be a slam, but rather my own personal view on an idea that has all good intentions, but really wasn't thought out to completion.
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2002, 01:08:53 PM »
"Starting in December, HTC is awarding the top 15 pilots with the best overall rating at the end of the monthly Tour"

In other words, you don't have a chance to win UNLESS you play every aspect of the game and do fairly well at it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2002, 01:24:51 PM »
\/\/ulfe ... bottom line is that "score mongers", "score potatos", whateever you want to call them is what is being promoted here ... and they will get money for it ?

We all know that the scoring system in the MA can be "gamed". There is a current thread active now that explains how to do it.

If one wants to have a competition, then it should be just that ... organized, with a level playing field for all those who participate, and hopefully any and all gaminess eliminated.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2002, 01:27:58 PM »
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"Starting in December, HTC is awarding the top 15 pilots with the best overall rating at the end of the monthly Tour"

In other words, you don't have a chance to win UNLESS you play every aspect of the game and do fairly well at it.
-SW


So jump to Bishop so you won't have to face their hordes and lose your ranking.  I did, this afternoon.  I figure I'll give it a go for a few days, then jump back to Knights in time for squad night.

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2002, 01:31:50 PM »
Well I dunno... I personally hate GVs and bombers, I didn't have a chance to win this contest before it even began... so I don't care.

I was just explaining that if you wanna win it, you have to be good at (or game) every aspect of the game.
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2002, 01:36:52 PM »
good skills or good at gaming the game...?

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2002, 01:39:22 PM »
Rank/Scores have never been about having good skills... it's always been about doing what's needed to get the appropriate standing/points.
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« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2002, 01:43:27 PM »
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I was just explaining that if you wanna win it, you have to be good at (or game) every aspect of the game.
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Exactly the point ... That is the fundemental flaw with this competition ... how good are you at gaming the game/score ... not how good are you at all aspects of WWII Combat.

I never fly bombers either ... so I too was out of the running from the get-go ... but I really don't care about the competition anyway. I just don't like the implication, nor the premise, for the rest of us that play the game other than for pure score. Why do these guys deserve money?
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« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2002, 01:47:52 PM »
HTC decided to run a contest... you know what you gotta do if you wanna be in the contest.

Maybe some day down the road, they will hold a dueling ladder contest. One on One or pairs, and the winner gets money. Second place gets something. I dunno...

but this seems to me as a way to get more people to come from other games to try their hand at getting the best score to win the prize.

So it's really up to us, do you want to participate or not? This has absolutely no bearing on how good someone is, only how much time they spend online trying to get the best score/rank.

Most of the guys who will be in the competition WILL need the money to buy themselves a tan and probably a hooker... cuz they ain't got a chance at a girlfriend. ;)
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2002, 01:49:01 PM »
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Why do these guys deserve money?


Because their winning money serves as a great promotional tool for Aces High.  HTC had to set some sort of criteria for awarding cash prizes, and overall rank seems like the most logical and objectively simple way to do it, especially to an outsider looking in at the game.

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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2002, 01:55:33 PM »
Wulfe ... You crack me up ... "Most of the guys who will be in the competition WILL need the money to buy themselves a tan and probably a hooker... cuz they ain't got a chance at a girlfriend"

Levi ... I mentioned that in my original post. How disappointed will they be when they finally get on the inside and see what the real truth of the competion holds ... "bamboozeled" comes to mind.

"Objective" .. I don't think so ... "Simple" ... yes ... thats where it fails.

HTC could achieve the same marketing goal thru real organized competitions.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2002, 02:04:39 PM »
you people get a life. It was the same in real life wars. Aces were glamourized, while pilots that simply did their job were forgotten.
I think it's a great idea, it got me really close to actually signing up for a paid subscrition. Maybe next summer when I will have lotsa spare time...

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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2002, 02:07:55 PM »
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Levi ... I mentioned that in my original post. How disappointed will they be when they finally get on the inside and see what the real truth of the competion holds ... "bamboozeled" comes to mind.
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I imagine most will be delighted at what they find in AH, as so many of us have.

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"Objective" .. I don't think so ... "Simple" ... yes ... thats where it fails.
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So you're saying that there is some other method beyond overall rank that would make totally intuitive sense to people who don't play the game?  KOTH... Jabo competitions... de-acking competitions... dueling ladders...  what a nightmare for newcomers to have to sort through that.  It's much easier to just reward the "top 15 players" and call it a day.  Everyone can understand that, even if they don't know how HTC specifically computes rank.  In that sense, overall rank is the logical and objectively simpler advertising tool.

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HTC could achieve the same marketing goal thru real organized competitions.


I doubt that, to be honest.  Most newcomers probably have no interest in organized competitions anyway (at least in the beginning).  This would appeal more to current subscribers who don't participate in competions than to non-subscribers who don't play at all.

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« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2002, 02:09:17 PM »
You know they have these marathons with REALLY big prizes and stuff.  

But since I refuse to run I can't win that money, and that's just not fair.




I think I should still win some money in the "Championship Shootout" because I try really hard to care about scores.  And the people who do care about scores, they are mean and ugly.


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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2002, 02:34:54 PM »
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I imagine most will be delighted at what they find in AH, as so many of us have.



I agree ... Doesn't take much to set the hook after playing this games for a couple of weeks. It will be 1 year for me in January and have enjoyed every minute of it.

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So you're saying that there is some other method beyond overall rank that would make totally intuitive sense to people who don't play the game? KOTH... Jabo competitions... de-acking competitions... dueling ladders... what a nightmare for newcomers to have to sort through that. It's much easier to just reward the "top 15 players" and call it a day. Everyone can understand that, even if they don't know how HTC specifically computes rank. In that sense, overall rank is the logical and objectively simpler advertising tool.


Sorting thru this game "period", is a nightmare for newcomers ... competitions are the least of their problems .

Easier and simpler is not always the best approach ...

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I doubt that, to be honest. Most newcomers probably have no interest in organized competitions anyway (at least in the beginning). This would appeal more to current subscribers who don't participate in competions than to non-subscribers who don't play at all.


Can't understand why they wouldn't. I think that the thrust of such a marketing ploy would simply be the fact the HTC awards money to their players for their skills ... the avenue(s) thru which the money is awarded/dispursed is secondary in the plan.
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