Author Topic: He-111 Bomber (Read 2007 times)

TheCage · « **on:** December 14, 2002, 06:48:12 PM »

Was checking out WWII Online and they finally got the He-111. Wonder when they will get it here in AH

hyena426 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2002, 06:56:11 PM »

<~~been fighting for that poor old war dog for a year now,,,but more people want { weird and unsual} hardly produced planes instead of front line main bombers ,,there are lots of othere countries lacking stuff,,so i understand,,russians need more things,,a pby would help fill the set,,but sooner or later,,too have a full ww2 front line plane set,,you need liberator,,,he111,,,,and maybe a pby sence so many countries made the things,,lol how can you have B.O.B with out the he111,,just aint right,,and italy needs a bomber,,he111 was the best bomber italy produced

Replicant · « **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2002, 07:21:36 PM »

No doubt the He111 will be introduced at some stage in the future but HTC have to think about other aircraft that are/will be important to the MA. Perhaps the introduction on the Mission Theatre will prompt the historically important aircraft such as the He111 or Do17. We'll have to wait and see!

Shiva · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2002, 09:26:29 PM »

The WWIIOL implementation of the He-111 has one serious detail flaw -- the bombs don't drop right. In the He-111, the bombs hang vertically nose up; this produces a distinctive 'flip' when the bombs leave the plane (presumably increasing the scatter), as opposed to the smooth nose-forward departure you see on other planes.

hyena426 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2002, 04:13:01 AM »

i would like to see the do217<~~looked like a cool plane,,the he177,, ju188,,were a little late,,but were atleast used,,,,but nothing like the he111,,ju88 and do217,,,he111 was a test platform for raido controlled bombs and v1 missles,,and guided missles,,,and a nice 120mm cannon you could replace the bomb load with<~~wow wouldnt that be wild to use on base and tanks,,lol

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2002, 04:30:52 AM »

O god....

dont get me started......

I will keep this short, if for no other reasion as to safguard my own sanity.

AH does not nead a He 111, or Do 217.

If Ah is to get any new German bomber the He 177 is the only worth while one to model, any argument to the contrary is mearly a veiled atempt to argure for their favorate plane rather than what could be best for the plane set.

Germany has a very nice plane set at present and realy does not neaed another bomber, Russia, Italy and Japan are all in far greater nead of somthing on this line than Germany is.

Bodhi · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2002, 10:15:55 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by Replicant
No doubt the He111 will be introduced at some stage in the future but HTC have to think about other aircraft that are/will be important to the MA. Perhaps the introduction on the Mission Theatre will prompt the historically important aircraft such as the He111 or Do17. We'll have to wait and see!

Not to be rude Replicant, but just exactly how can one of the most produced bombers on the axis side not be important to the MA? I am no fan of buffs to begin with, but guess what both the He-111, He-177, and Do-17 have as an important role as will the Soviet Pe2, Kate, and Sally. Saying it is not so just IMHO is not right. Plane sets should be added, again IMHO, in accordance with their production numbers. Adding a plane just to say we have a plane from that country is b.s. There are lots of important buffs missing, as well as utility and fighters. The whiners will cry when I mention the B-24J, B-29A, B-25J, A-26B, Helldiver, and PV2. But just because they are US designs does not make them less important than say a country that had 200 aircraft of one type and are not represented. We need the mass produced aircraft in this game, Mission oriented or not, they need to be represented.

Quote

Originally posted by Brady
AH does not nead a He 111, or Do 217.

If Ah is to get any new German bomber the He 177 is the only worth while one to model, any argument to the contrary is mearly a veiled atempt to argure for their favorate plane rather than what could be best for the plane set.

Brady, I think your opinion is valid, that the He177 is needed, but to leave out the He-111 and Do-17 is pure horse poo. They are both significant to the historacal nature of the game. You can not argue that.

Hope to see many more plane types brought here soon.

Wotan · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2002, 10:30:12 AM »

he 111 will never get used it would be a complete waste of time to model it.

He 111 wont survive in the main no matter what version. Bombers are irrelevant in the main as they cant keep pace with 50 man base rape auger missions.

Bombers are mostly used now to dive bomb and ack star and the he 111 will suck at both.

I would go as far to say if it aint 44 or 45 dont waste the time even modelling it. Planes were developed to keep pace or to get/keep the advantage over the nme. Even in ah events plane type is irrelevant for the most part because most are object based. Any advantage a fighter or bomber had is offset by the type of gameplay this entails.

In the main its about "war winning" not air combat or any of that. Its the reset that matters. In events its "kill the building or capture the flag no matter the cost" and you win.

Chew on that

Replicant · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2002, 10:53:23 AM »

The He111 won't survive in the MA, but we're all under the assumption that it will be modelled for the MA. As I mentioned earlier, it really depends how successful the Mission Theatre becomes when it's introduced. Here it will find a niche as HTC will post missions with certain aircraft and basically you'll have to take the aircraft if your side has any chance of winning.

The Mission Theatre will be good for the lesser or weaker type aircraft because they should hopefully be used more.

Regards

brady · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2002, 01:05:54 PM »

Man I am geting prety board with all this.

Wotan · « **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2002, 01:38:06 PM »

I think your over estimating the appeal the mt will get. Do a search on the excitement and call for the combat theater. Then check the actual number of participants.

Everyone and his brother loved the ct and couldnt wait to fly there. Same with the p40. Folks said how much they loved it and would fly it but its a hanger queen.

And like Brady this is pretty boring so instead of carrying on the same discussion over and over I will leave it with yas.

Viper17 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2002, 02:09:18 PM »

I wouldent say its a hangar queen. I regularly get 4 kill's in it. Its highly underestimated. And when it come to killing La7's its a good place to start.

hyena426 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2002, 02:34:43 PM »

Quote

AH does not nead a He 111, or Do 217

<~~well i dont think the germans thought that !! the do217 killer bomber,,the he111 was very importaint to the italy and germany,,the late model had good guns and no matter what you think,,it would be used alot more if it had all its little goodies,,,that plane was a transformer,,lol

the he177 good bomber if you could keep it from killing its own crew members,,,it was a flying junk pile most of the time,,lol,sure the performace was good,,but i think it killed more of its own men,,then anything else<~~why would ya want a bomber that was hardly used compared to the long used do217 and he111?

Quote

Man I am geting prety board with all this

thats fine,,lol,,,if you like it or not,,aces high is a ww2 simulator!!<~~you seem to forget that?,, so whats the problem adding the most popular bombers to the germans and italy? just because you dont like them?,,,that dont sound like a good reason to me,,,like it or not!! those are the most popular bombers the germans had in ww2!!<~~kinda like not giving the usa a b17 or british a mossy,,doesnt matter if you dont like them,,they were used more than any bomber in ww2 on axis side

hyena426 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2002, 02:38:55 PM »

Quote

Brady, I think your opinion is valid, that the He177 is needed, but to leave out the He-111 and Do-17 is pure horse poo. They are both significant to the historacal nature of the game. You can not argue that

<~~very well putt

Fishu · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2002, 02:53:01 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Shiva
The WWIIOL implementation of the He-111 has one serious detail flaw -- the bombs don't drop right. In the He-111, the bombs hang vertically nose up; this produces a distinctive 'flip' when the bombs leave the plane (presumably increasing the scatter), as opposed to the smooth nose-forward departure you see on other planes.

thats not really "serious" flaw.
More like minor detail you're talking about.
I think only IL2 actually models it right, of all the games around.
However theres quite good detail used as well in WWIIOL - only sim where 109 whole horizontal stabilizer is trimmed instead of control surfaces.