A sad day

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Apache:
Numbers, numbers, numbers. If you numbers guys are for perking the popular planes, then get your pen & paper ready for your next hunt. Go look at the stats as of 13:30 EDT. N1k has almost 600 kills. I didn't spend alot of time looking but it was almost double that of anything else. LMAO.
Like I have said all along, we are just moving them to next airframe. There is always an "uber" bird.

at this moment N1K2 has 650 kills or so while the Spit IX has 550 or so. now that sounds like a 2-1 difference?     I dont think so.

After those two the numbers are pretty equal. This is EXACTLY the tendence we had last TOD (Spit and Nik doubled their immediate followers # of kills),maybe with a bigger usage of the nik over the spit wich was expectable. But now there is no uberhawg doubling the number of N1K and Spit kills.

So sorry, I think that is was the pro-chog-perk crowd who was right on this issue. The N1K has some more users, the Dhog too, and the typhoon usage has seen a big jump (330 kills at this moment). And there are still some 340 kills for the Chog aswell   .

This numbers point to a much MUCH more ballanced Main arena. Not to the "Massive migration syndrome" that some people precognized

Now if the N1K FM was fixed, I would be COMPLETELY happy    

[Apache]

Oh toejam spit drivers, look out, your next!!!!

[R4M]

Apache, just FYI the Chog averaged more than 1000 kills/day last TOD. The Niki barely surpassed the 500/day.

We have seen a 15% increase of Niki Usage, and almost none on the Spit. IN other words when this TOD ends, and IF this tendence follows (to extract conclussions from ONE day is absurd,but well, you started the number game), the Spit will have roughly the same number of kills as last TOD and the NiK roughly 15% more.

is 15% the "massive" migration the antiperk lobby said would be SO catastrophical?. LOL.

So, apache, stop this because your initial number game was wrong. Now dont start to yell that now the crowd will cry for the perking of the NiK or the Spit because this wont happen if this tendence goes on. Admit it, NOW we have a fairly BALANCED arena. Finally, after 7 months.

Is it SO hard for you to admit that HTC did the RIGHT thing in perking the damned bird?


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[storm]

well i thought there might be some inputs here other than the same defence line.

I agree D-hog can straffe ack...but the major problem at fields are ost's that are pretty hard to down with a D.Also somehow range is a factor too.I manage to down acks from further range with the 20mm.That gives me a precious second more to avoid em.I seldom use rockets because of the straight approach line that has to be flown to get hits.Makes me more vulnerable IMO.Also maybe i have to learn that better.Does anyone here down acks out of the ack range with rocks?

Some give the option to fly the spit.Now if we would see like the same numbers of spits as we saw f4's then the whining would just
shift target.It seems more to me that every community needs to have it's black sheep.If that is the issue i can accept that

People say that to lear ACM to try the spit.I think the F4 is quite capable too if well flown and pretty different to the spit as it cannot turn as well.So the only difference are the 20mm's.These will only come into the equation if you let the plane get adv and get on your 6 or let him have a snapshot solution.If you dive into a furball than any 20mm of any plane is a danger.I'm referring just to a normal alt engagement.

I like the d-hog a lot too and this no defence for the F4c...i would defend any plane that would get massacred like this even if it would be a LW or whatever..and i defend it even more because i know the plane pretty well as you can see through my stats.

also this is no critic to HTC.I have no idea if they are perking the plane because of the constant whining or because they are testing a different approach to the whole perk system,as the perk points are so low.I really dig the game and the daily $1 is well
spent on this fantastic hobby.WTG HTC!

I had no comments on that idea about perking all planes and the cost being rated by the rank of each player in the individual class.
Was it such a bad one?

cheers

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by storm:
I agree D-hog can straffe ack...but the major problem at fields are ost's that are pretty hard to down with a D.Also somehow range is a factor too.I manage to down acks from further range with the 20mm.That gives me a precious second more to avoid em.I seldom use rockets because of the straight approach line that has to be flown to get hits.Makes me more vulnerable IMO.Also maybe i have to learn that better.Does anyone here down acks out of the ack range with rocks?

About the osties, HTC said the hit modelling for the Ground vehicles has been revised for 1.07. I would think that this includes the open top of the ostwind, so ANY caliber, from 7.92mm to 30mm can kill the gun with no problem. If not, then there is always the chance to perk the ostie   A vehicle with a production run that IIRC never reached the number 40 that has such a big influence on the gameplay is just like I disliked on the Chog.

Regarding range, I think that the 50 cals have LONGER range than the hispano. True that I've not flown an hispano-fitted plane since a long time ago, but anyway if the range is not bigger at least should be equal.

I stand on my opinion that the Dhog is FAR better ack supressing plane than the Chog. Not to kill hangars, but for that you have bombers, right?  

About the rockets...the straight aproach makes you vulnerable...to what?. To acks?...not because you stay OUT of ack cover, the Rockets are a wonderful STANDOFF anti-ack weapon. You fire them BEFORE entering the field's ack cover.

Then vulnerable to what? To enemy fighters?...well will you try to deack with cannons a field with acks operational (of course, if they are not operational you wouldnt be supressing acks  ) and with an enemy fighter on your six?...sorry,but your argument makes no sense to me.

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[Sandman_SBM]

Thanx R4M and Ripsnort for the input... BTW, Rip... EXCELLENT site! Thank you!

[storm]

ok i see i dont make sense....i'll withdraw from the discussion

you guys are by far better informed than me
i'm just a lousy dweeb

[Apache]

Ram, just wait. I've been at this alot longer than you my friend. I've seen it over and over. I will have some numbers for you in the future, since you are a numbers guy and all.  

[hblair]

FW-190A8 with twin 30mm's is actually a better de-acking plane than the chawg.

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by storm:
ok i see i dont make sense....i'll withdraw from the discussion

you guys are by far better informed than me
i'm just a lousy dweeb

hey storm! dont take my posts as an offense because are not intended to be. It is that is really incredible to see the enormous effect that the (extremely cheap) perking of the Chog have had when the plane is still there, and there is a wonderful twin on the hangar! with six 50 cals, yes, but those weapons are very good too! Give them a try!!!

And BTW never be ashamed when you find that you could be not right on something. You thought that the Dhog was not that good for field ack supression, and you just saw that indeed it can be an useful weapon. That is good, right?  

Believe me, being used to fire Mausers, the 50 cals seems like Star Wars lasers! fast, accurate and very very brilliant  .

Apache, I'm the first to say that extract conclussions from the numbers of ONE day is not clever because the tendence and usage of planes may vary a lot during this tour. But I was not the one who brought numbers up, it was you.   I was just answering your statement on that regard, that for the 1st day, the numbers are pretty pretty good.

[MrLars]

I use the C-Hog for ground attack alot. I still will in the future. Perking the C-Hog should have been delayed untill the new GV damage model was implemented IMO.

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Lars
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[Creamo]

You all miss the REAL tragedy of the "Perk Chog" syndrome.

Those bi-blue horrid planes will be butchered, yet still we have to listen to r4m, ram, rametz, ramasts ect...like he is going to quit for the 14th time if we dont listen to his....whatever..

I like it perked, YET Id rather someone squeakslap r4metast into not being such a little studmuffin. Yah, period.



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[Jebo44]

Hell with it Never Mind

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[lazs]

I don't use perk points and am at best a mediocre pilot but let me get this staight... planes will be perked on their popularity rather than their ability?   The friggin D9 has a much better K/D than the CHog but like all LW planes it is so boring and easy to fly that no one bothers.   So this is to punish us for not flying the boring planes?

even with my mediocre skills tho... I could fly the CHog every sortie for the rest of my sim career and I would be flying it against newbies and unskilled.   how the hell is that fair?

LW and buffers are pleased.   figure it out.
lazs

[BigGun]

 

Originally posted by R4M:
Ok I'm going to tell you a little tale. I will start telling you that when I came here I had no rudder pedals. The day I got them (in the middle of TOD 3) I got rid of the Chog...forever.

Got rid of it forever? BS...look at tour 5,6,8,9. Looks like u did fly chog..just not that often.

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