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Offline Wanker

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« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2002, 09:05:19 AM »
I can understand why Sachs is disappointed. In waiting for his special something to arrive in AH, he is no different than anyone else playing the game. We all have our own little agendas about what this game needs.

That being said, his disappointment is someone else's rapture. The CM's have been waiting for the Kate and the Stuka for sometime now, and 1.11 is a red-letter day for them. We've heard from the ground pounders who are happy about the Tiger I, and of course the P-51D dweebs are happy as clams about the new artwork for the that plane.

Personally, I suppose I could be disappointed, too, if I chose to focus on what didn't make it into 1.11. I still wait with baited breath for my beloved H8K2 Emily, which will, IMO, revolutionize gameplay in the MA(I'm sure Karnak would be more than happy to fill you in on this plane's unique abilities). But for me to focus on what wasn't added instead of what was added, is both shallow and insulting to the crew at HTC who bust their fannies to continue to make this the best online flight sim out available at the moment.

The difficulty that Pyro has as producer of AH in choosing what goes into a patch, and what doesn't, is an enormous burden. With many special interest groups working at cross purposes within the community, he has a tough juggling act to try to decide which additions take priority, and which additions can wait. Pyro is a human being, some of you forget that. When I was head CM, I spoke to him on the phone a lot, and the man is always under pressure trying to decide what takes priority. He works long and hard, as do the rest of the crew at HTC.

On a positive note, since the crew at HTC includes  two programmers(HiTech, Ronni) and two artists(Superfy, Natedog), we know that in every release there will always be some bug fixes and/or game enhancements, as well as some artwork upgrades and/or new planes.

It could be a whole lot worse. For $14.95/month, we're getting a quality gaming experience that only five years ago would've cost some people over $200/month when games like this were $2/hr or more. And for that same price we've got the most responsive, most customer-oriented development staff in the business.

So, while Sachs has every right to lodge a complaint, I happen to disagree with him. No need to abuse him for speaking his mind. At the same time, a little perspective on how inexpensive this game is compared to what the market norm was a few years ago, coupled with the stellar customer service supplied by HTC, leaves me more impressed with them as a business every year they're in business.

Personally, I'm a little disappointed myself that the development period for each release seems to be growing with each one, but since I don't know what it takes to correctly size out the work, I'm not in any position to throw stones.

Life is too short to get so worked up about a small disappointment.

Blues Skies, everyone.

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« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2002, 09:07:42 AM »
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Whipe the brown of your chins


As compared to some that have a veritable "ring of brown" around their entire neck due to anal cranial insertion?

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« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2002, 09:14:25 AM »
Ag will be ok its just post patch depression.:)

Just the build up to each release is met with things you can actually see and play with. This update was a bit anti-climatic in that most of the really good things are those unseen.

Some guys dont like it and make a post.

Then the real nature of the community comes out from folk like Gman sling and mathman.

A guy critizes a game .....big deal but what comes afterward is always more entertaining then the original "whine".

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« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2002, 09:31:03 AM »
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A guy critizes a game .....


......and others offer their opinions, which may or may not agree with the position of the thread-starter.

I agree. It's no big deal. It's expected, even. Otherwise, what would be the point of the BBS? It's for folks to express their views, correct?

I mean why did AG even start this thread? To see if everyone agreed? I'd think he wanted to see what everyone else thought. Put his personal opinion out for all to see and thus get a reaction from the rest of the BBS.
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« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2002, 09:32:01 AM »
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That is what I see of it.  Sorry, but I was expecting more.  1.10 version 8.  3 worthless planes and a tank that will become the envy of the attacking aircraft.  Stuka I can see as usable, the others hanger queens to say the least.  Can't wait for another 6 months to go by for another incredible patch.  Venting and pissed.


What a malcontent.

If you'de look past the end of your nose and on down the road a bit, each new ver. works towards a better end.

Seriously, if I owned this joint, I'de cancel the accounts of those who perpetually whined....sometimes it's best not to do business with some....it's not worth 15.00 to listen to negative crap like this.

You pay a whoppin $15.00 a month and you act like a spoiled child. Did you ever fly AW or WB's...would you rather substitute that existence for where we are now?

C'mon man...count your blessings and be glad we have a developer that grows his product rather than just sitting back and milking it.:)

Excuse me....I dropped my Pom Pom.

Don't take what I've said personally, just think about it....it could be worse ya know.

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« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2002, 09:44:22 AM »
No its not their opinions of ag being a whiner its all the personnal stuff the whine police throw in.

Go back and read it for yourself.

Then re read what ag posted.

As for why ag made the post,  who cares.  I am sure he knew the poms poms would come out.


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Look at Rudes post wtf is he pissed about what AG thinks. Its a game after all.........
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« Reply #66 on: December 17, 2002, 09:49:04 AM »
"Personal stuff"? Mostly what I see is folks calling him a "whiner". Gee, that's never been done much here before.

Seems I've noticed you doing more and more "whine police" work yourself over the last few months.  ;)

I'll be sure to highlight it when next I see it.
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« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2002, 09:51:58 AM »
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As for why ag made the post,  who cares.  I am sure he knew the poms poms would come out.




Just as sure as "Score" and back slapping would come out in any thread you post in.

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« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2002, 09:54:31 AM »
RE: your edit and Rude's post.

I think Rude is taking a "business owners" viewpoint. If nothing you do ever satisfies a particular customer, it might be better just to ask him to take his business elsewhere.

Not singling out Sachs or anyone else but there ARE some folks that wouldn't be happy no matter what was done, improved, released, added, etc. In short, they'd b*tch if you hung 'em with a new rope. NOTHING will make them happy.

Rude's saying it's probably best to just ask folks like that to take their business elsewhere.

Constructive criticism is always welcome I think. The trick is to criticize constructively and politely. Treat others the way you'd expect to be treated if you were on the other side of the counter.

As I said, this isn't pointed at any individual and not even at anything in this thread other than Rude's apparent viewpoint.
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« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2002, 09:58:05 AM »
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« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2002, 10:01:35 AM »
Rip I can bring your back slapping  threads if you like. You are one of the biggest hypocrits on this board.

Preach on kettle :rolleyes:

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« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2002, 10:12:15 AM »
Toad maybe I am reading umm wrong.

like Rude's post

Take the 1st line

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What a malcontent.

If you'de look past the end of your nose and on down the road a bit, each new ver. works towards a better end.


It seems to set a different tone then one expressing his opinion about customer relations.

Or Slings

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Your a moron

 
Or what you could read in a few others. Thats a different tone then ag being


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pissed
 

about a patch.

As for my poms poms thats some what true but it was more about defending friends. Look at the threads the contest announcement spawned.

A bunch folks not just whining but calling certain people cheaters and all sorts things because they may pursue rank with in the game as a form of fun. Now theres several guys in my squad who fly and enjoy going after rank. I was defending them not ah.

The only other thing I can think off is killshooter or perk planes. I like both as is.

And rip lazs brought stats up but you had your blinders on didnt ya.......

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« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2002, 10:27:29 AM »
Pronunciation: "mal-k&n-'tent
Function: noun
Date: 1581
: a discontented person: a : one who bears a grudge from a sense of grievance or thwarted ambition b : one who is in active opposition to an established order or government

Wotan....pay special attention to the bold type.

I'm not trying to degrade anyone, as I pointed out in the same reply. If they smell, look and act like a malcontent, then most likely they are. It's a word in the english language which seems to describe where he was comin from...thought it appropriate.

I guess my life and outlook on things like a game, must be very different than some of you. I wish all I had to be concerned with was AH....some of you act like this is life or death.

I enjoy AH and care about many of the same things you all do, it's just that I'm not going to pop a vein or wear black all day at my office just because what I wanted to see didn't come about.

Give it some serious thought.....isn't $15.00/month a great deal for what we have here? Isn't it kinda silly to get too bent about any of it?

Just my thoughts is all....I'll be quiet now:)

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« Reply #73 on: December 17, 2002, 10:37:01 AM »
All I can say is that in the 7 months I have been in AH I have seen more updates, patches, vehicles and improvements than in the last 3 years of Air Warrior.

On top of that HTC seems to take suggestions from the entire community rather than just from a vocal minority that ruled AW and dictated game play/development.

Some of you are saying this is a puny patch with limited vehicles… Sorry to hear that-BUT for someone coming from AW land this is still a gigantic update—I mean new vehicles/planes, new factory layouts, net coding, graphics, gun effects—my god-I’m a kid in a candy shop. :D  

When AW went from AWIII to the much-vaunted AW Millennium—I believe it had less changes…

I for one love the improvements and will take them in any dose that HTC dishes them out. The only time to be afraid is when the updates just stop coming…:eek:

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« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2002, 10:42:20 AM »
Personally, I too was a bit disappointed that I didn't get more toys to play with from Santa HTC. Nothing serious mind you, just alittle miffed. I've been on the edge of burn out and thought some new rides would perk things back up.

But...Rudes post, even if a bit rude, put things right back into perspective.

I haven't flown more than 2 offline attempts at WB's, but I hear about the major problems its had/has.

 AW? Now you wanna talk about eons between updates? Lemme tell ya boud id:

Once long ago, there was a Jug. This Jug had a roll rate of a B-17...well actually, the AW B-17 had a better roll rate. People Whined. People complained...squeaked. Reams and reams of data. Screamed! I'm sure some cancelled accounts. Finally one day, the dorks that be decided to release an update. This was like the 2nd one I'd seen in 2 years. No new planes. None. You see, they did everyone a favor. They UPDATED the JUG!!! Guess what. The roll rate was even WORSE!

Now that I'm properly in perspective...
 WTFG HTC!!! Great JOB!!! Bring us MORE!  when ya get a chance that is, no hurry, no rush! Just do it guys! You da Men! (and da ladies)

Ok, who stole ma mofo pomdepoms? Can I borrow one from ya Rude? Rip?


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