Author Topic: Dont expect miracles from IL2 (Read 2015 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #15 on:** December 24, 2002, 04:15:47 PM »

Wishful thinking, can't happen tho... of course, I don't wanna bore you with reality and the details of what makes or breaks a MMP game.

The FM still ain't good in Il2, "physics" or not.

BTW, you do a fantastic job of repeating what is written by developers without actually understanding it.
-SW

udet · « **Reply #16 on:** December 24, 2002, 04:50:02 PM »

IL 2 has problems rendering large numers of planes, unless you have a super-dupper uber system. Consider a furball like those in AH...unless you had gigs of RAM, your FPS would drop and the gameplay would be totally destroyed.

Hristo · « **Reply #17 on:** December 24, 2002, 07:52:13 PM »

AH has advantages over Il-2, no doubt. Most of them are related to MMOG characteristics. While being more playable over the Internet, it seems to have departed quite a lot from realism (for my taste) and is trying to please average gamers.

Il-2 would need quite a lot of work before making it a real MMOG. Comparing it to other MMOG games is wrong, it has never been developed as one (for now, at least). In its current state it is a hardcore offline sim with online ability.

While HTC was adding features like combat trim or auto take off, Oleg focused on realism and imersion and is still pushing his sim into that direction (more detailed engine management and better damage model). Quite a different approach.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #18 on:** December 24, 2002, 08:14:49 PM »

I will never go back to player hosted flight sims, unless IL2 does a dedicated arena setup like AH it will only be a diversion for me - a damn good one though.

I find AH to be less interesting and I'm genrally revolted by the MA these days, too crowded and too much land grab stuff - or so I hear cuz everytime I see the giant red bars everywhere I just log off. Admittedly I do put in a good sortie here and there but nothing like the fun I had before. Plus frankly who the hell are all those people, I misss they days when we all knew each other.

CT is ok and is more like before when air combat was the focus. Interestingy CT was supposed to get us away from "mindless furballing" but for some reason the CT mindless furballs are very good.

I wish I could like AH more now like I did before, but I suppose 2 years will wear out the new car smell of my early days here.

Nonetheless AH is a better game while IL2 is better looking game at the moment for me - either way I play Day of Defeat more than both these days.

And you know what I dont like the IL2 DM much, I think P39 shouldnt be able to eat 5 or more 30mm bullets and continue manovering and fighting no matter where they hit.

StSanta · « **Reply #19 on:** December 25, 2002, 07:56:44 AM »

Cannot really say whther IL-2 is nice. Played it ecently with my 1 gig 384 meg system.

Lots of choppiness. Seemed excessively sensible to control input, but maybe I can adjust that. View system horrendous. Not saying one should have Linda Blair 6 views, but the system in IL2 is not very good. It adds artificial difficulty to the game because in real life we have two eyes and 3d vision, which means a bar or something half a meter away won't obstruct an object two meters away.

I have the feeling that this is the general approach in IL2 - make it realistic. DO it by the numbers. But then forget about important issues, which results in more unstable plane, too hard gunnery, too big muzzle flames on 109, too much of a resource hog.

The tracers are divine though, and graphics are very good. Good attention to detail.

But I cannot really evaluate it til I get a much better system. 5 fps when I was attacking Russian bombers in my 190. Oddly enough the gunsight was so far to the left I could only see a small bit of it, so that mae firing a bit harder. Probably me not setting it up properly. But I need a bigger system before I can play it properly.

Staga · « **Reply #20 on:** December 25, 2002, 08:41:39 AM »

Details in Il-2's graphics are really marvellous.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #21 on:** December 25, 2002, 08:46:21 AM »

The FW190 of IL2 is by far the most blind restrictid view plane in the whole game.

Tuborg · « **Reply #22 on:** December 25, 2002, 09:51:55 AM »

I play on a 1,6 Ghz PIV, Gforce3, lots of ram, 1600x1200 bla bla bla and it is still almost impossible to see what hell is going on in the air around you, everything still seems to be mushy and I dont think that this is solved by more PC power but simply a matter of poor code or what ever. Another thing is the lack of ability to distinguish the flight caracter of the different aircrafts. In AH you can actually FEEL the differnce between for instance all the 109 types. Put yourself in a 190, and voilá: total different ball game. Fly a Spit and find out why they called it a pilots dream. Up a Mustang and FEEL to be in a Cadilac of the sky. Every single plane is modelt beautifull crisp and clean, all with their advantages and disadvantages. And this makes fighting so much more of a challenge. Il2 seems to be programmed of an apperatchnik or tecknokrat and if you dont get a hard on of a spinning tailwheel or stall slots or whatever it ain't a replacment to AH when it comes to pure and simple dogfight.

Cheers

Wilbus · « **Reply #23 on:** December 25, 2002, 10:32:50 AM »

Can't compare the two very much IMO, with my new system I have the graphics maxed out when it comes to details and view distance etc and play it in 1600x1024 and 32bit. It's beutyfull for sure, specially the high alt contrails.

The Dammage modell is far superior to AH even though it too has its flaws (many 30mm hits in P39 as mentioned above etc).

What AH needs to become fun again is a good modern DM and less bugs then now (blackout kill pilot instantly bug and blackout stick bug etc etc etc etc etc).

I like them both now but AH is getting more and more frustrating.

Il2 controlls are way too sensitive IMO and view system sucks pretty bad.

SKurj · « **Reply #24 on:** December 25, 2002, 11:08:32 AM »

Controls (setup, config, sensitivity etc) in IL2 weak, AH has em beat big time in those regards

View system in IL2 suxors! AH has em beat BUT!! I even prefer ww2ol's view system to il2. Perhaps AH's views are too lax, but IL2's are too extreme, and their application is poor.

SKurj

Wotan · « **Reply #25 on:** December 25, 2002, 11:18:15 AM »

wil you will get used to both even the 190 with its view aint half bad.

AH has set the standard in the view system. Its a bit too liberal in my view but il2 is by far to restrictive.

Heres an aar from a few weeks ago I posted on my squad bbs.

Quote

Just came out of an il2 coop full real /padlock enabled.

Was 8 p39 ('42 variants) vrs 8 109g2s the vvs had 8 il2s as well

il2s were all ai and 2 of the 8 p39s were ai and 3 109s were ai.

Climbed at to 4k meters and formed up my rotte. No icons so i dont know who I was winged with but I was rot 2 and stuck with rot 1. I know he wasnt ai.

We were to sweep over an unpronounceable (ever see "The Road To Wellville" with "Mr. Unpronounceable") Russian village in the Crimea. Well I stayed glued to my lead as we set up our cap to the sunside of the expected vvs approach.

Soon we spotted 3 grey specks against the deck at about 2750 meters. I followed my Rottenführer's lead and slipped line astern at about 800 meters back. The vvs were stepped in echelon left but in very loose formation. Tail end charley was high.

My lead nailed tail end Charley and I saw his left wing leave the p39 and it spiralled down. I was worried about my speed so I reduce throttle and headed for the next in line. My Rottenführer zoomed up and I pressed for the next one. Slowly the p39 got bigger and bigger. I set my dive to come in his lo 6 and pull up. I expected them to break at any second but they held course and alt. I had the sun behind me but I couldnt believe they were holding steady.

I started to get nervous and I counted slowly to 5 and as the p39 filled my wind screen I let loose a hail of cannon. When they stuck the underside of the p39 the rounds exploded sending debris everywhere and as I zoomed by I saw flames shooting from behind the p39. He rolled right and headed for the deck. I knew that commie bastard would never get home and I soon got the kill meg. I zoomed straight up and tail slid. As I dove I still saw the lead p39 continuing as if he missed both his comrades being shot down.

I looked back and at my 8 o'c and saw another grey spec but I assumed it was my Lead. He was well out of the way and I had speed coming back from my dive so I headed right at the last p39.

As I began to close the 39 made a course change and I thought he saw me but he steadied on a new heading staying level. This time I came in lo 6 nice and steady and cut throttle and pulled right on his arse. I was close and I had to kick rudder to bleed e a bit or I would have collided. I slipped a bit off to the right and had a great shot and let loose at the side of his cockpit and eng. As soon as the first strikes hit him this guy split essed but he was trailing black smoke. I zoomed because I didnt want to follow him down not knowing where the other 5 p39s were.

I tried to locate the guy I was winging with but I had lost him. Maybe he went after that smoking p39.

I headed back to the cap area to see tracers flying about the clouds at about 2.5k meters It seems that a few of our 109s found the other 39s.

As I got close I saw 2 109s locked to the 6 of a 39 so I reduced throttle and opened my rad flaps and took up hi cover. Then I saw a grey dot move in to the hi 6 of the 2 109s that were engaged. I was a bit higher but he had e. As he came down on the 109s I firewalled my throttle and closed rad flaps and hit wep.

He overshot the 2 109s and went verticle. I could hardly believe my eyes as he hung there as I zoomed up behind him. I closed in and unleashed hell into his right wing and it came off at the root.

Horrido!!!! number 2 confirmed.

Again I lost site of my friends so I circled back to the village and ack was going wild on something low. The il2s!!!!! but I am very lo ammo and still dont know where the rest of the vvs fighters are.

Against my better judgement I went in and came in behind the il2s. I spotted 1 109 doing the same.

I engaged the trailing il2 and stayed below the rear gunners line of fire. The ai is pretty easy but my ammo low I didnt expect much. I closed and aimed and the oil cooler on the underside of the il2. I unloaded the last of my cannon and a few mg and got him to smoke.

At this point I try to get closer to fill him with 7mm when the white fingers of death fly past my canopy.

Damn p39!!!!!!

I go straight up expecting him to fill my canopy with that 37mm. To my surprise he shoots under me then goes up. I immel at the top and hit wep and run to the deck and head for home.

Luckily he lost me and as I approached the the airbase I get a kill msg which I thought was that il2. But when I touch down and taxy I get another.

I must have got that 1 p39 I smoked and the il2.

4 kills

Man I was stoked.............

The restrictive view system no doudt allowed that bounce of the p39s. The sun and no icons helped as well.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #26 on:** December 25, 2002, 11:22:39 AM »

There is a site that claims hyperlobby is full of viruses and remote control hacks, is this true?

Wotan · « **Reply #27 on:** December 25, 2002, 11:35:35 AM »

no its not true apparently theres a nutbag out there slandering hyperlobby. I dont know the details but I been using hyperlobby for a long time and have had np.

There always ubis portal and all seeing eye.

udet · « **Reply #28 on:** December 25, 2002, 11:59:27 AM »

what pisses the sh*t out of me in il2 is that whenever there's any action going on, my computer stutters

Swager · « **Reply #29 on:** December 25, 2002, 12:00:10 PM »

On-line IL2 reminds me too much of the CFS online.

Could not get into it. I play IL2 off-line missions once in awhile. No sense in me doing that when Aces High provides excellent combat simulation for me.

Swagger