Author Topic: PBY (idea htc read) (Read 1658 times)

brady · « **Reply #30 on:** December 28, 2002, 01:29:06 PM »

The thing that seperates the Emily and the Coranado aside from all other flying Boats, even the sunderland is thier preformance and defensive firepower coupled with a usefull bombload.

Suderland:

213mph

Two 7.7mm MG fixed firing forward, two each in bow and dorsal turets and four in the tail turet.

4,960 pounds of bombs.

H8K:

290mph

20mm cannon in, Bow, dorsal, tail and beam positions.up to 8 or more 7.7mm MG's in various positions.

4,409 pounds of bombs.

Coronado:

223mph

50cal MG's in (2 each) bow, dorsal and tail turet's and one each in Beam hatches.

Bombload 12,000 pounds.

PBY:

179mph

Two 50cal in forward turet, one each in beam blisters and a 30cal in ventral tunel.

4,000 pound bombload.

hyena426 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 28, 2002, 03:02:53 PM »

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The maisve target sise of the PBY and it's know vulnerabality

but pby was all so known for its ablity to take punishment,,,heck i read were they would come back with half a wing and still land them,,,kinda like a b17,heheh the black cat pby's had armor plating protecting the pilots and gunners,,night time radar that picked up ships and planes,,and i guess they really kicked some butt,,,,,i read were a pby forced a jap zero down and made him land,lol,,so usa could do test on the caputred zero,,i think any ww2 plane that had great service records desurve a shot to be in here,,,i know pbys were some of the best coast planes ever made,,can anyone deny that?,,lol,,reliable,,tuff,,and loved by all there crews and people it saved,,,and dreaded by the ememy for its ability to do about anything,,from bombing boats,,to killing subs,and transporting goods,,,and killing transports,,,it did it all pretty much,,,the emily should be here too,,it was a very good and mean plane,,,,but it should be perky,,because of its limited production number and use during ww2,, less emily made than 163's,,so if its put on here,,it should have a little perky rating for main,,just like any rare ww2 bird

KBAR · « **Reply #32 on:** December 28, 2002, 09:29:05 PM »

Punt keep the plane in the minds of HTC.

Karnak · « **Reply #33 on:** December 29, 2002, 02:44:03 AM »

It is interesting to see how people completely ignore realism in order to have the most optimistic views of their pet desires.

Case in point, Hyena's view of the way the PBY would do in AH.

brady · « **Reply #34 on:** December 29, 2002, 09:33:02 AM »

Well he get's an "A" for effort and a "D" for objectivity.

hyena426 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 29, 2002, 02:32:22 PM »

well,,i shouldnt have to put any effort for the pby,, the planes service record speak for its self,,lol,,both flying boats should be here,,,but like i said,,the emily should be perky because of its limited role in ww2,,and the pby be the stock flying boat..d for objectivity huh?,,lol..only object i got is for every well used plane to be here first,,before we get all the late hardly used planes,,need a little realism,,,not everyone flew a emily in ww2,,lol,and if you stuck the emily in aces high with out a perk rating,,it would be every were!! and in real life it wasnt everywere

corey · « **Reply #36 on:** December 29, 2002, 02:54:42 PM »

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Originally posted by corey
what about a rescue copter with two M-60 machine guns for guners

huh????

Hawklore · « **Reply #37 on:** December 29, 2002, 03:18:14 PM »

Id be great too, for using them to scout for transports and cv, was reading a book called, Pacific Hellfire.. I think thats it..yea..

Well talking about the air attack on Enitewok, japenese spotters would fly over tracking there course..and the ameracians pulle a ruse on them big time!..

Id be fun to do that..

We need submarines too..

KBAR · « **Reply #38 on:** December 29, 2002, 09:47:51 PM »

I think that this game needs such a plane heck both of them would be nice. The PBY attacked ships supplied bases, did recon patrols, rescued downed pilots they were doing it all. I think that if those missions were reflected in the game it would add alot to the realism. It would be fun to rescue a downed pilot that bailed in the water and I wouldnt mind flying up on the sea planes 6 either. PUNT the PBY lot of history behind this plane.

Karnak · « **Reply #39 on:** December 30, 2002, 12:16:16 AM »

I agree that a flying boat would be a great addition to AH. Sadly, the PBY just isn't that plane. Outside of scenarios the PBY simply wouldn't see any use.

Why use a PBY as a scout in the AH MA?

If you need a scout, grab an Me262. It'll do far better.

If you need a scout with range, grab a P-51, it'll do far better.

As a bomber, all the multi-engined bombers we have in AH are better than the PBY, so players would always take one of them.

Even with a top speed of 179mph the PBY would be the slowest aircraft in AH.

If HTC is going to spend the time to program flying boat code, I strongly think they should add a flying boat that is actually usable in AH. That pretty much limits it to the H8K2 or Coranado. Because of the number of American aircraft already in AH, I think the H8K2 should be the one to get the nod (besides, when Pyro listed the three aircraft he most wanted to do the H8K2 was on the list).

We have received plenty of hangar queens in the last few versions, lets request some aircraft that will actually get used.

brady,

The H8K2 can carry two 1,500kg bombs for a maximum load of 6,600lbs. At least, that's what Mitsu's data says.

brady · « **Reply #40 on:** December 30, 2002, 12:56:17 PM »

I pulled out my Mechanic of World Aircraft #7,Which is the book Mitsu scaned those images from in the Emily post, and you are right Karnak, I was so used to quoting my other refrences, I forgot to look at it. It clearly shows two 1,500KG Bombs.

brady · « **Reply #41 on:** December 30, 2002, 12:56:54 PM »

I pulled out my Mechanic of World Aircraft #7,Which is the book Mitsu scaned those images from in the Emily post, and you are right Karnak, I was so used to quoting my other refrences, I forgot to look at it. It clearly shows two 1,500KG Bombs.

hyena426 · « **Reply #42 on:** December 30, 2002, 01:09:23 PM »

h8k was a great plane,,but it was hardly produced,,so would you be happy with it being a perky plane?,,,because it would have to be,,,heck usa should get a b29 with out perky,,sence it was usa's main bomber during pacific,,,but we all know that aint going to happen,,because its unfair that usa gets more planes,,,,well thats the proublem your allways going to run into,,usa made more planes,,and more types of planes,,that were used by all the allies,,,so should we not allow a usa plane,,just because its unfair?,,,well ww2 was unfair most of the time,,lol

pby would make a great scout,,if it had its radar ,,so it could find enemy planes before they could see them,,and report back to home,,with out even being in rang of them,,,they had very good radar,,pick up boats and planes

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If you need a scout, grab an Me262. It'll do far better

why?,,in real life,,it wouldnt be that better of a scout,,no radar or anything,,,lol,,its just a killing machine,,the pby could spot trouble before it got in the middle of it,.,pby is kinda like the awax of today,,lol

h8k is a great plane,,i would love to see them both here,,but in real ww2 life,,not everyone would be in a h8k,,and if you added it,,,everyone would be flying it,,,aint very realistic,,ethere is using me262 for recon,,that wasnt its job,,it didnt have radar,,ethere did the p51,,thats the reason they used planes like pby,,they could pack it full of radar,,and it could still carry bombs to there targets and pinpoint fleets and airplanes before they got noticed,,wouldnt that be nice in main?,,,i know it would sence you cant see them till they get close to your base,,and for night fighting,,the pby would rule the air,,because it could pinpoint everyone.,,the pby is the awax of ww2 that could bomb,,and it was very importaint

SunKing · « **Reply #43 on:** December 30, 2002, 01:18:26 PM »

talk about a hanger queen....

Karnak · « **Reply #44 on:** December 30, 2002, 05:52:00 PM »

Hyena,

You clearly don't understand the perk system. The H8K2 would not be perked as its performance isn't good enough. I can only think of three bombers that do have good enough performance to warrant perking.

Aircraft are perked because if left free they will be too dominant in the MA. The one exception is the Ta152H-1, which if it had its GM-1 boost would fall in line with the other perk planes.

Look:

N1K2-J: 402 built, entered service in January, 1945: Free plane
Fw190D-9: 700 built, entered service in September, 1944: Free plane
Spitfire Mk XIV: 957 built, entered service in January, 1944: 60 Perk Points

If your understanding was correct, the most likely of those to be free would be the Spitfire Mk XIV, but in fact it is the only one perked.

As to the surface search radar, well, that's nice, but the 262 will cover even more ground in the same time simply due to its speed. I agree in reality you wouldn't use a 262 for that (but the Ar234 was designed for it) due to its short range, but the ranges in AH are so short that range becomes a non-issue.

BTW, H8Ks had surface search radar and a flight endurance of 24 hours.