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Offline KBAR

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« on: December 26, 2002, 10:52:19 PM »
I was wondering if you could add the PBY to the plane set. They could be used to rescue downed pilots in the water. Maybe give them partial credit for getting back to base with the PBY help. PBY was also used as a recon plane and did some light attacking at night used wing mounted bombs and such. It would give a more realistic alternative to bailing and just ending up back in the tower and also would give peeps a slow target to shoot at.
If you decide to do it they could be launched much like a PT boat.
If you guys like the idea bump this thread. Can you imagine the peeps hollering for PBY to pick them up and just think about having this slow lumbering plane at sea level to shoot at.

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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2002, 10:58:52 PM »
Why not the H8K2 Emily instead?  It does all of that, plus is well defended, tough, fast (for a big plane) and can carry 6,600lbs of bombs.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2002, 03:46:28 AM »
aggree karnak....emily would be nice, and give the jap planeset a boost

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2002, 03:52:51 AM »
ya,,but pby was produced in huge numbers and known for its tuffness,,slow,,but good bomb load,,and russians even used them,,would boost of the plane set for 3 countries with one plane,,british,,usa,,russian http://www.vpnavy.com/aircraft_pby_history.html
 read down to bit of history,it could dive bomb,,even know it wasnt made for it,,lol,a pby even forced down a jap zero before,,killed tons of subs,,and even help find and stop the Japanese from invading alaska,,it was a very good plane only 167 emly made,,compared to the 4,000 cats,,its a drop in the bucket,,lol
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2002, 09:27:39 AM »
what about a rescue copter with two M-60 machine guns for guners
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2002, 09:36:47 AM »
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it was a very good plane only 167 emly made,,compared to the 4,000 cats,,its a drop in the bucket


Fine. Let's let production numbers be the sole consideration for implementing planes and vehicles in AH. So the first thing we do is disable the Ostwind, since there were only 43 of them produced, not enough to justify having them in the game. Based on production numbers, then, we're not going to see much else than Russian aircraft and tanks for the next half-dozen or so updates.

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2002, 10:07:54 AM »
Ya large production numbers are a pis pore reasion for adding anything and their is no precedent for aircraft inclushion based on this in AH.Espichaly since sighting these numbers realy only favors Allied countries like the US or USSR, the former has the largest planeset in AH and realy neads no deaping at present imo.

 The PBY is a favorate plane of mine howeaver it would add very little to AH and be a Hanger Queen the like of which the P40B has never sean. The Emily or the Coranado would be a much better choice for a Flying boat imo both well defended and ruged and capable of packing very usefull bomb and torpedo loads. The Emily is universaly considered the Best Flying boat of the entire war and as such I am shure a front runner for this nich once HTC decides to implement it.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2002, 01:23:48 PM »
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Ya large production numbers are a pis pore reasion for adding anything and their is no precedent for aircraft inclushion based on this in AH.Espichaly since sighting these numbers realy only favors Allied countries like the US or USSR, the former has the largest planeset in AH and realy neads no deaping at present imo.  
 well it was a very good plane, read about it more,,i bet it would kill more boats in aces high then anything else,,good bomb and torpedo load,and even depcharge loads for when they add subs,,if they do,,hehe,,it was proubly one of the most loved planes in history!! it saved tons of lives,,killed tons of boats,,,its was a very good plane,,,and production was in more than 3 countries,,and used by dozens more,,can you deny that the pby was not a good plane?,,,no you cant,,because if you read about them,,you will see how loved they were,,,late models had self healing gas tanks,,better guns,,and amor protecting the pilots and gunners

slow,,but i dont think it will be a hanger queen like the kate is now!!<~~talk about a worthless jap plane to be added!!,,lol,,no front guns,,,horrible bomb load,,and slower than hell!!,,a pby would be twice the plane,,and used even more,because of its water landing abilties,,again why not add a plane that was used by all allies..heck pby cat name was givin by the brithish,,they loved the old plane too,,and used it for all sorts of missions
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Fine. Let's let production numbers be the sole consideration for implementing planes and vehicles in AH. So the first thing we do is disable the Ostwind
im for that,,why have a tank or plane that was hardly used compared to some thing else?,,only like 30 ar234s made,,and hardly used,,and they didnt make a damn bit of diffrence on ww2,,lol why have experimental planes and stuff before you have the front line planes? you have to addmit the front line planes should be here first,then you get the candy planes

i think othere countries need planes too,,but your going to run into a problem in the end of tring to be fair to one side or the othere,,,because in fact,,usa did produce more models of planes,,and most of them were all good,,and used by british,,russian ,,american and canada forces,,usa was such a producer of planes and tanks,,heck everyone had one,,i even think germans used a captured cargo plane,,early c47,,painted german markings on it,,and used it for halling cargo,,lol,,its hard to deny the usa a plane or russians,,because they produced them like crazy,,and they were all good planes:)

i know what your saying brady,,but i dont think any plane in aces high is collecting dust in the hanger,,every plane gets used,,lol,,besides the kate<~~that plane is a big mistake and waste of time,,lol,,the stuka is twice the plane it is even,,,,but if a flying boat is here,,should be the most popular flying boat in history!!,,the pby:)
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2002, 02:15:26 PM »
the problem with jap plane set is,,they didnt have very many good bombers!! there main line bomber was the betty<~~not a very good plane,,,japs sunk most of there money into ship building,,,they didnt have many long range good bombers,,emily mite of been the best they had,,but only 167 made,,it didnt make that huge of a dent,,,they were tuff plane,,but after you add the emily,,then what?,,,sooner of later the allies are going to have more planes and bombers than anyone,,because in real life,,they did have more planes,and adding experimental planes instead of front line planes,,just aint right,,like i said before,, candy planes should be last,,lets get the main planes up and flying first

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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2002, 02:30:58 PM »
It's not the the Japanese lacked good bombers (the Ki-67 for example was quite good and even the G4M series was decent), it's that they didn't have a very good concept of what level bombing was supposed to be.   The Japanese favored dropping lots of small bombs, 100 KG or so, which is why their bombers typically carried such pitiful bomb loads....it's all that was required in the design requirements.

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2002, 04:05:10 PM »
Hyena,

However neat the PBY is (and I, like brady, really like the PBY) it would be the ultimate hangar queen in AH.  It is practically undefended (slightly better than a Ju88A-4) and has a top speed of 134mph.  To be the top killer of boats in AH it would have to get flown, and it would not.

In comparison, the H8K2 has a top speed of 292mph, is very tough, climbs well, and is just a bit short of the B-17G in defensive fire.  Oh yeah, the H8K2 carries many times the payload of the PBY.

The PBY would not get used.  The H8K2 would get used.  Thus the H8K2 should be the one added.


(BTW, tyr the Ki.67 in AH.  Its a great bomber for use against strat targets and towns.  The eight 100kg bombs do a pretty good job on those targets and the speed, durability and firepower makes the Ki.67 one of the most survivable bombers in AH)
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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2002, 06:07:51 PM »
I'd like to see the Catalina.  If submarines are introduced then let the Catalina be the only plane type that can drop buoys to mark the subs position on the map.  This would indicate the last position of the sub for a set length of time.  Hell it could perhaps show it's last heading too?  I could see it having its uses...
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2002, 06:33:02 PM »
i dont see it being a hanger queen,,,and its was better defended than a ju88,,and carried just as many bombs,,and got tons of kills,,,even dive bombed at allmost 250knots,,lmao,,not too bad for a big old flying boat,,,,i beleve the emily will get more use im sure,,,but in reality game,,you would have more chance of runing into a pby than any othere flying boat in the skies,,it was tuff,,,it had good range,,,and allways seemed to pull off stunts it was never intended for,,lol<~~and is one of the most loved planes in production,,go read about the pilots and people it helped and saved,,,and the kills it got,,it wasnt a bad plane at all
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a top speed of 134mph.
umm,,were did you read that?,,every were i look,,179 fully loaded,,,,but according to what everyone says,,the pby was a great plane,,tuff as nails,,hard to knock down,,and used by allmost everyone

if any othere jap bomber should be stuck in,,should be the betty,,,there flying boat is great,,but its allmost made in the numbers of a comet,,,lol,,and i guess it wasnt that great of a bomber,,had a good bomb load,,but from what i read about it,,,it mostly hit palm trees,lmao!!,,but i guess it had great defensive guns

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2002, 06:35:13 PM »
Replicant,

However there is no reason to do that other than to artificially add a use for the PBY.  There is no rational that would let the PBY do that, and not the H8K2, or a Sunderland at the very least.

Personally I'd love to see both the PBY and H8K2.  It'd be a nice reversal of roles for the USA and Japan, with the US getting the crap aircraft and the Japanese getting the capable aircraft.
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2002, 06:41:24 PM »
Hyena,

Do you believe that production numbers should be the governing factor in adding aircraft?

If so, what you're looking for is a USA vs. USSR sim with a couple German aircraft and a couple of British aircraft.

Personally numbers mean jack all to me, but they seem to mean an awful lot to other people.

It is true that the PBY saw heavy use.  It is also true that the H8K saw heavy use.  Usage or numbers means nothing in the context of the MA.  Numbers mean little in the context of the CT or scenarios, but useage does mean something.


(I doubt the PBY carried 6,000lbs of bombs)
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