Oh F*CK, need advice urgently.

[StSanta]

I've got a somewhat serious situation at hand. Let me give you the background.

Mother works with the social services, working primarily with immigrants and refugees. She has a client, a 33 year old Somali woman, who drinks heavily. As a result, my mother and others decided it'd be best for her 5 year old son and her 15 year old daughter to live in foster families til she gets her act straight.

Turns out we have a mutual acquaintance. She came, skunk drunk and began saying lots of nonsense. Then she learned my last name and threatened to kill me. The other in the room threw her out.

Today (minutes ago), I meet her and two male Somalis outside the door to my apartment. She says 'this is your final warning (still drunk as a skunk) and one of the men show me a nasty looking knife. The she says "soon we'll slit your throat, when no one is around. Your mother will cry over her lost child like I cry over mine. I tell her to calm down, sober up and she starts screaming and yelling. I enter my apartment and close the door. She continues to make threats.

She's about to do 30 days for threatening her social workers and my mother. Thing is, she has a previous conviction of assault with a lethal weapon. Four years back she and two men (not sure it's the same) knifed the grown son of one of the step families her son was staying with at the time. He survived but with massive damages to his intestines. She got a jail sentence for that, along with the two men.

So I'm in trouble here. Talked to father; he won't let me have my shotgun at my place because I haven't got a safe to store it in (required by law). Told me to press charges, which I have. That doesn't mean toejame though -  a piece of paper won't prevent her and her friends from coming for a little visit. Am thinking about procuring a weapon through the black market. Hell, I've even thought about preemption through other non legal methods.

Had I been allowed to own a handgun, I'd feel a hell of a lot safer than I do now. I don't know when there's gonna be a knock on my door or it gets kicked in. And the idea of having my guts penetrated by knives is not too appealing either. What the hell am I to do? I've got no part in this mess but now I'm a target. I keep to myself and don't disturb others to AVOID situations like this .

I'm at a loss. I don't feel safe. Can't live with my parents because there's no room, and they feel that it's just idle threats. I don't. What to do? Help would greatly be appreciated.

What a mess

[Revvin]

She has a record so FFS stop fannying round and ring the bloody polic! have you no friends to stay with for a few days, surely if you explain someone will put you up.

[StSanta]

Done that. She'll get a court date set for a couple of months from now and walk free in the meantime. That's how it works here.

I could stay with friends, but not indefinitely. There's no telling whether she'd wait several weeks or strike right away. :/

I'll talk to some people that are in the Hells Angels environment. For a few thousands, they'll deliver a message to her. Could do that. One of the advantages of living in a worn down enighborhood is that you get some decent underworld contacts.

[ra]

Get a fricken safe if your father really requires it (it's YOUR shotgun?).  Carry some kind of weapon, anything's better than nothing.  And check 6 frequently until this squeak is sent back to her craphole country.

That said, she's prolly bluffing.

ra

[Animal]

This will seem like foolish advice to many here, but, get an illegal gun, and only use if you are 100% sure they are going to kill you (they are trying to stab you)

I rather break the law than get killed.

[LePaul]

Prepare to defend yourself, safe or no safe....I'd rather be charged with not having a safe if the alternative is being harmed.  If they aren't exactly folowing the law (brandishing a weapon, threats), why are you?  

Lock n load, dude.  People are threatening you, the local law enforcement sounds laughable and your Dad won't allow you to be armed because you dont have a safe?  No No No....

Between you and me, I wont tell anyone you dont have a safe    But do arm yourself, just incase you need to defend yourself.

[Rooster]

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.

Protect yourself.

[Toad]

Come on now, Santa. This is a fishing trip, is it not?

Anyway, I hear Beetle has some spare room at his place and will even let you use his microwave. And sharp instruments are not a problem anyway; they're not designed exclusively to kill and most of the world uses them quite peacefully every day.



If it really is a problem... I hear transatlantic airfares are at an all time low. You can stay in my spare room. I'm sure I can keep you busy with tons of minor jobs. I need a clean sweepdown and full touchup on the PT-19, for example. Are you good at automobile cleaning/detailing?  

[K98k]

It's a kinder and gentler world, peace man, guns kill people.  Rely on the government and law enforcement they will make it all better, really.  That poor woman, on welfare even,  remember too she's not the one to blame society is it's not here responsibility it's ours and we should feel guilty and give her the deserved attention she needs after she stabs you.


All kidding aside if you need a ticket out let me know I got three rifles and a safe house you can use

Or I know a couple of hard pipe hitting fellas down the street who'll take care of this matter for a 5 piece meal deal.  For an extra sixer they'll get rid of the evidence

[Swoop]

Well......


I dont think a shotgun will help you much, I mean after all you're gonna have to keep it in the flat even if it isnt in a safe.....and *if* you are gonna be attacked it'll be as you're entering or leaving your home or en route to somewhere else.  So......you're putting your key in the door and some Somali potato peeler walks up behind and sticks a shank in your kidney.....hmm, the shotgun was a lot of use there now wasnt it?

No.  Something you can carry permanently would be much more useful, a small pistol perhaps (ONLY if you are trained and fully confident in it's use, wouldn't want to blow your own balls off now would you). I doubt a knife would be much use unless you've spent 10 years being trained by monks on a mountain somewhere and in which case you probably wouldnt need the knife anyway.  If you know any police you could try to blag some of that anti-knife attack body armour....or if you know any live roleplayers who made their own chainmail, same effect.  Stopping the initial attack will probably stop all of it, as soon as the knife/shank/axe/whatever bounces off you can react, it's when the attack comes without warning that you're in deep shi*t.

As for the idea of some Hells Angels giving Mrs Somali some good news......well, Somali's a kind of a special breed, in fact I'll go as far as saying they're all complete nutters.  Threats dont work on Somali's, violence doesn't really work either unless such violence leaves said Somali in a state that would cause no further reaction, ie cabbaged or dead.  If you're gonna go down the threats route be very very careful.

On the plus side, no Somali I've ever met has shown any evidence of any kind of fighting skill and should you take a month long course in self defence I'd fully expect some arse kicking to take place unless you choose to come home very very drunk to find 4 of em waiting for ya.  However, on the minus side I've also never seen any evidence that Somali's hold any value in human life.

Merry Xmas.

[Hortlund]

Santa...this is not going to sound great, but trust me on this one.

The law cannot help you in this situation. Nor can the Police. At least not if Denmark is the least bit similar to Sweden.

So you called in the police, so she got a day at court. For a thing like this she might get something like a month or two in jail...MAX. I have seen cases where guys who were doing time mailed postcards to witnesses that testified against them in the trial promising to kill them once they got out...that guy got 4 months.

Our laws simply cannot handle this situation. Our politicians have decided long ago that criminals are all decent chaps really, they just had a bit of bad luck or whatever...the point is we should not punish them, we should...treat them .

I see the effects of this everyday. Chase someone with an axe while screaming that you are going to kill him? 1 month in jail.

Call someone on the phone 10-20 times/day and say you are going to kill him? 5 000 SEK fine.

Break into someones home armed with a knife and try to stab him? 6 months.

Did I tell you I hate my job btw...?

Police? Yeah...they will do their best, and to be perfectly honest I have no idea how the Danish police is when it comes to manpower and resources, but here in Sweden we have too few policemen. They will do their best naturally, and trust me, they do a marvelous job despite all the toejam they are getting from every direction. I have nothing but respect and admiration for those guys.

But if that lady decides to come after you, do you really want to risk it? In my hometown there are 7 cops working every night (90 000 invabitants) they ride in two cars with 2 guys each, and one with 3. Say one of the patrols is taking care of a traffic accident, while the other is taking care of a domestic dispute...the third one is patrolling somewhere in the city...how long time until one of those patrols can get to your home if three crazed somalians are breaking down your door?

The security of our laws is an illusion. Most people live happily in that illusion all their lifes, never even realizing that it is an illusion.

Bottom line:
Get a gun, and get a vest..not the big kevlar vests, but the small ones the cops use, they are pretty much worthless against guns, but they dont weight much, you can have them on you all the time and they will stop a knife.

And move to another part of town.

Regards
Steve

[Drunky]

Buy a machette

One of those pig stickers gets close to ya...whack off the hand that holds it

[Corwin]

Man sorry to hear about your situation.  While a gun might make you feel better it won't make the situation go away.  IMHO shooting somebody (even if they are threatening you) could potentially lead to further escalation.  I had a situation years ago that got ugly.  A guy climbed up (high as a kite) on to my second floor apartment balconey after I told him to quit squealing his tires outside my window.  When he started climbing, I got a gun without even thinking about what I was doing. When he reached the rail and started to step over, I cocked it and told him I was in fear for my life.  He really went nuts then but he came no closer and after screaming at me for what was probably a minute but felt like hours he climbed down, got back in his car and parked it at the next apartment building over.  I called the police.  When they showed up I told them the story. They ran his plates and told me he lived in the next building over and has some "priors" although they wouldn't say what for.  When they left he came back and kicked the door once, more I think to scare me than anything else as he didn't stick around.  I called the police again and they came right back.  Just then my wife came home from aerobics...while the police waited we packed our bags and left.  We checked in to a hotel that night.  I contacted the apartment complex the next day and they let me out of the lease.  I was willing to lose my deposit if needed but I think they didn't want the bad press if something happend.  We moved the following weekend and I had a bunch of buddies help me.  That was 7 years ago.

So, my suggestion is to contact the police and tell them what is going on but in the interim move someplace where you will be safe.  Once you have some space you can figure it out.  They could follow you to wherever you go that's for damn sure but that would require more effort than just showing up at your door.  Aside from that, there isn't much else you can do IMHO.  I have several guns and keep one in my night stand drawer.  In retrospect, if I had shot that guy my life would have been hell.  I had truly decided out of fear that if he came off the rail I had to shoot him as he was telling me he would take the gun and kill me.  I somehow decided I would shoot him in the head and with the range and a 15 round clip I know I would have suceeded.  It wasn't macho, it was fear.  Moving solved my problem and I hope it might solve yours.  In the meantime I'll keep you in my prayers.

[Gunthr]

Could you get a hold of a bullet proof vest (body armor) somewhere? Maybe your local police could supply you with one until some time passes?

Meanwhile, at least carry your own knife, edged weapon, pepper spray, sap, etc.

Try to get those two goons of hers identified too. If you can get them arrested off the street you've won half the battle...

G'luck, keep your eyes open!

PS: Think a knife fight through in your head beforehand. You would be fighting someone from a knife culture, so he/they would have an automatic advantage.

You need to steel yourself to be mentally prepared for recieving ghastly wounds to your hands and forearms without going into shock, if you are to survive a determined attacker with a knife.

[hawk220]

fluff'n A, Rooster!