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Offline Toad

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« Reply #285 on: January 02, 2003, 05:49:25 PM »
Tumor, sounds like you're proposing that anyone that can't publicly find fault with AH and post criticism is "sucking up".

Let me make a few statements and see if you agree with any or all:

1. AH is, to date, the best MMOG featuring WW2 aircraft and ACM.

2. AH has, to date, the best servers and netcoding of any WW2 ACM MMOG.

3. AH is an extremely good value at 50 cents a day.

4. AH is continually and routinely updated. Improvements never cease.

5. AH has an extremely good support staff and has a great track record of soliciting customer input.

Agree with any or all of those? Which do you disagree with?

Thx.
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« Reply #286 on: January 02, 2003, 05:55:00 PM »
I agree with all those Toad. AH is an excellent game and well worth 15 the subscription.
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« Reply #287 on: January 02, 2003, 06:03:08 PM »
Ok..well if the association with the community aspect of a GAME is making you feel hostile, negative, hopeless, dispair....then there is bigger issues to deal with other than being labeled a LWhiner.

To me the flying computer part and the community part are the combined Game. So when referring to "GAME" it includes all aspects.


PS..and I agree with all of above Toads comments. Cheapest damn entertainment/fun I have found.
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« Reply #288 on: January 02, 2003, 06:23:20 PM »
Today the internet for most people has become just another way to interact with others, I see no reason why that should exclude any positive or negative outcomes of communication - unless you are saying personally no intaraction between people in your life gets you upset or hostile at times. The only diffrence I see is overall in internet ibntearaction the factor of annonimity and distance, but one can argue that our familiarty here reduces that. I do wonder though if for example Mandoble acts and talks extremly like this in real life or if Rude jumps on his desk shouting at work and humiliates his coworkers.
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« Reply #289 on: January 02, 2003, 06:33:58 PM »
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Tumor, sounds like you're proposing that anyone that can't publicly find fault with AH and post criticism is "sucking up".

Thx.


Toad, thats a broad stroke don't you think?  Nice try but the subject will remain what I intended, not what you would like it to be.  "Same old hands" and "pig pile" stand.  

 As for your question?  My opinion of Aces High is just that.  Why do you want to know?  You got the pig-pile regulars ready to go just in case it's not pro-HTC (or cod forbid, even criticism?)  Thats my point.
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« Reply #290 on: January 02, 2003, 06:40:32 PM »
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« Reply #291 on: January 02, 2003, 06:56:31 PM »
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If you can't see that's obviously a smack at saying there's a bias (hence conspiracy) ... ... ...


Eh ... I think you should read up on you own language; bias is not synonymous with conspiracy.
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« Reply #292 on: January 02, 2003, 06:59:24 PM »
Maybe not, but when it's said that the German planes are held back while the allied ones aren't....


well, yeah... that is a conspiracy.
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« Reply #293 on: January 02, 2003, 07:08:11 PM »
HTC could display bias for any number of reasons; personal dislike of the LW, LW connection with Nazism, nationalism with regard to US planes, etc. etc. This bias could even be unknown to HTC. He may just believe that the LW rides were bad. Nothing to do with conspiracy. Conspiracy indicates that there has to be a plan, a plot involving others, to be deliberately biased.

Btw. I'm not saying this is the case (like I once did a long time ago ... sorry HTC).
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« Reply #294 on: January 02, 2003, 07:24:39 PM »
Toad, all valid points, but here's what I think...

1. AH is an American game.
2. It's focus is American.
3. It's made by Americans.
4. It's loved and played mostly by Americans (and us Canucks too). :)
5. AH has support staff and has a great track record of soliciting customer input on American aircraft defects.

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I'm a canuck, so I can see both side of the issue here. I love AH and have been flying it since Beta.

What a lot of Luffwaffe fanatics find that they are not being taken seriously when they post needed fixes for LW aircraft.  When they do, they get called luftwabbles and luftwhiners.  They end up feeling their issues are then not taken seriously.  Plus, no one from HTC has ever addressed any LW issue in recent memory.  Sure, the Stuka and the 163 are sweet. But issues remain.

I donno HT.  Having worked with gaming communities myself for over six years, this may be a classic case of the vocal minority headaches.  A lot of LW fans are pissed off. Some have quit.

But it's your company and your game. You of all know how to deal with these issues.  I'm glad you got involved in this discussion.
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« Reply #295 on: January 02, 2003, 07:27:28 PM »
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Today the internet for most people has become just another way to interact with others, I see no reason why that should exclude any positive or negative outcomes of communication - unless you are saying personally no intaraction between people in your life gets you upset or hostile at times. The only diffrence I see is overall in internet ibntearaction the factor of annonimity and distance, but one can argue that our familiarty here reduces that. I do wonder though if for example Mandoble acts and talks extremly like this in real life or if Rude jumps on his desk shouting at work and humiliates his coworkers.


The only thing I see is you trying to control how people interact here, by defining what is acceptable......that's not your responsibility, HTC Staff, mainly in the form of Skuzzy do that.

And whitewash it with "for the betterment of the community" all you want....it still stacks up that you don't like how you perceive you are addressed here, and you what to control and define that through Cod knows how many posts in this thread alone.

And that is bunk.....just like your attack on BUG in your own Panzer thread.  If your own rules were to be applied in that instance, you shouldn't be allowed to post you own damn words.

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« Reply #296 on: January 02, 2003, 07:27:40 PM »
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And Toad I find it funny how you think what were saying are "baseless accusations" how exactly do you know what somebodys experience here is when they are being made fun of and harrased  like this- especially when you and your friends are often the attackers?


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undeniable proof met with derision or nothing at all.

its the htc way



What would YOU call that one Grun? I see you didn't address my last repost of your question.
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« Reply #297 on: January 02, 2003, 07:37:30 PM »
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Hey I guess if you were King your ~opinion~ could be mandated as fact eh?

 
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"Same old hands" and "pig pile" stand.  
 


And you're talking about "broad strokes"? LOL.

No, I actually asked so that I could better understand your definition of "sucking up". Why don't you give me an example or two?

I don't care who's pro- or anti- HTC... as long as they can express themselves without baseless accusations that can damage the reputation of the game.

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undeniable proof met with derision or nothing at all.

its the htc way


It's stuff like that that raises my eyebrows.  HTC doesn't deserve that in the least.

I have no problem with constructive criticism; it's good for the game.
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« Reply #298 on: January 02, 2003, 07:38:22 PM »
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Conspiracy indicates that there has to be a plan, a plot involving others, to be deliberately biased.


That's not true at all, so long as they believe there is a group of people that are out to get them solely because they are LW then that is a conspiracy.

It's been used before by LW fans saying that either the allied players are working against them and/or HTC is.

That's a conspiracy, perhaps you shouldn't lecture me on the language I speak if I understand it better?
-SW
ps: Conspiracy: Definition 4: any concurrence in action; combination in brining about a given result.

Don't need a plan to accomplish the above, nor to believe it's being done to you.
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« Reply #299 on: January 02, 2003, 07:40:10 PM »
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Conspiracy indicates that there has to be a plan, a plot involving others, to be deliberately biased.

Btw. I'm not saying this is the case (like I once did a long time ago ... sorry HTC).


Bud. At least you apologized!
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