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Offline weazel

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2003, 10:49:26 PM »
What unit were you in?

I was in Pirm 82-84, 59th MP Co.

I don't drink anymore but have fond memories of Parkbrau beer.  ;)

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Hmm I first read Red Storm Rising in a Barracks in Pirmasens, Germany in 87.......

It felt like he was looking over my shoulder

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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2003, 11:54:40 PM »
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....He is the McRib of military fiction writers.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

but seriously why you need fiction, when there is so much good real history that you've not yet read...if you want something that reads like a novel pick up an autobiography, if you want something w/ the high-tech dream weapons, pick up Jane's

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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2003, 01:26:28 AM »
The whole ryan thing got painful a decade ago.
Those things are like Harlyquin Warmance novels or something.

Even red storm didnt make any sence...but I wont go into that.

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2003, 01:32:49 AM »
I liked Rainbow Six!

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He is the McRib of military fiction writers.


Comedy gold.

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2003, 02:16:03 AM »
Tom Clancy's books are god awful, departure lounge trash.

He's good at making games though - splinter cell is great.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2003, 04:17:43 AM »
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but seriously why you need fiction, when there is so much good real history that you've not yet read


True true true

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2003, 04:18:44 AM »
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Does Ryan become the Pope in this one?


No but he's crowned Queen of England, wins the Nobel Prize, and leads the Redskins to victory in the Superbowl.

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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2003, 05:28:50 AM »
My top five works of fiction, which I whole-heartedly recommend:

1) Catch-22 (Joseph Heller)

Sublime. Mind bendingly satirical. Annoyingly frustrating at times - the whole Milo Minderbender thing just makes me angry for some reason. It's like I want him to stop doing the things that he's doing because they seem so wrong. A work of genius. The film version is pathetic and the sequel is not as good (not surprising), but is worth a look.

2) The Tempest (William Shakespeare)

Probably the most accessible of his plays. Analogy of the New World/slave trade, supposedly. I'm not a big fan of Shakespeare (4 hours of Hamlet nearly destroyed my will to live) - this is perhaps the only Shakespeare play I've seen that didn't make me want the thing to end. Although MacBeth is ok.

3) Piece of Cake (Derek Robinson)

It's Battle of France/Britain and the exploits of a Hurricane squadron. Extremely well written with superb characterization, Robinson is great at luring the reader into a false sense of security, before smacking him with an event that highlights the brutality of war. On the other hand, the book is absurdly funny in places. I believe it was a Booker Prize nominee, and has a less impressive sequel set in Northern Africa about the SAS and a P40 squadron (A Good Clean Fight).

4) Goshawk Squadron (Derek Robinson)

Royal Flying Corps, set in WW1. Piece of Cake came later and they are quite similar. Goshawk squadron is much more bitter and harsh, IMO. Not quite as light hearted as Piece of Cake. Forms a trilogy of three books that are linked; War Story starts in 1916, Hornet's Sting continues through 1917 and Goshawk Squadron finishes the story in 1918.

5) The Day After Tommorow (Can't remember)

Both critically acclaimed and a world best seller. Pacey with a gripping storyline, it revolves around the activities of a modern day Nazi organisation. The sequel was piss-poor, however. I think it was called the Day after the Day After Tomorrow or some such crap.

6) Sharpe's Rifles (Bernard Cornwell)

I first picked this up from the library when I was 11 y/o basically because the cover looked interesting. I was hooked, and have read every Sharpe novel since. Basically revolves around Richard Sharpe, British Infantry officer (promoted from the ranks and hence not popular with fellow officers, who buy their commissions). It's kind of contrived and fomulaic - he does pretty much the same thing in every book. Shags some seemingly unreachable bird, nearly dies because of some villain, vanquishes said villain. But the descriptions of the battle scenes are second to none. Rifles is set in 1809 in Galicia, but he's since filled in the early career of Sharpe (in India). Also did an American Civil War thing, which was quite good. If your into Napoleonic history it's worth a look.
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2003, 07:48:18 AM »
I liked Rainbow 6 but havnt read any after that.
Wilbur Smith and Richard Herman Jnr are good novelists interested in war and action that would make good reading if you havnt read any of them yet DeJa (or is it Duran ? ;) ).

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2003, 08:40:32 AM »
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My top five works of fiction, which I whole-heartedly recommend:



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2.  Nineteen Eightyfour by George Orwell
3.  Red Storm Rising
4.  Hunt for Red October
5.  Bomber by Len Deighton
 

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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2003, 09:08:02 AM »
I heard a rumour that Clancy's latest books aren't even written by him.. He just slaps his name on them for marketing.

Apparently he's so rich now and has such a strong brand that it pays off to buy material from other writers - stuff like this happens all the time in the music industry.

That would explain the sudden decline in quality.

Edit: Uh just noticed Curval pointed out the very same thing.
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2003, 09:15:34 AM »
I might check that one out Tronski.

Damn! I'd forgotten 1984 - that would probably be my No.2

I'd also recommend 'Down and Out in London and Paris' by Orwell.

And 'For whom the Bell Tolls' by Hemmingway.

And 'The Big Sleep' by Raymond Chandler. In fact any of the Philip Marlowe P.I. books.

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2003, 10:21:54 AM »
Red Storm Rising
Hunt For Red October
Without Remorse

are his best works by far, I enjoy authors who are not afraid to kill off their lead characters. Ryan has been boring to me for a while now, the last Clancy book I have read was Executive Orders. I feel that his books are more of a soap opera than fiction.

P.S. Catch 22 was a great read, first book to make me laugh aloud.

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2003, 11:29:03 AM »
Great fiction?  Naw just really funny chit?

You gotta read "Semi Tough" by Dan Jenkins, or any of his other works.

It may be a little dated now, but I laughed out loud at the "Yellow Rose of Texas" rendition by the rookie football player.

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2003, 11:30:10 AM »
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I liked Rainbow 6 but havnt read any after that.
Wilbur Smith and Richard Herman Jnr are good novelists interested in war and action that would make good reading if you havnt read any of them yet DeJa (or is it Duran ? ;) ).
Ah... I haven't been "duran" since going 151:0 in FC;) And who might you be?

I've read most of Richard Herman Jr's stuff.  He had some of the better Vietnam erra stuff out there.  Dale Brown's early stuff was good too.... as was Stephen Coontz.  Can't say I've seen anything from Wilbur Smith though.

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