Author Topic: What has happened to Tom Clancy? (Read 1720 times)

StSanta · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2003, 11:38:22 AM »

Tom Clancy. Except for the early books, it is what I call APP.

American Patriotism Porn.

Take that Jake whatever his name is. Ends up president, saves the world a thousand times. Clancy of late has been fantazising too much, resulting in odd politics, one dimensional superheroes 'normal military guys'.

'We're the best, biggest, baddest' all American wet dream war honry person. I believe the SAS guy behind the book *Free Falling* (which dealt with his attempt to break the altitude record for skydiving while at the same time talking about his mental illness) described him as an armchair warrior who seemed to get off on war.

It's fun to see him on CNN, as if he's an expert on all things political - as long as the military is involved, it seems legitimate to include him.

His game company makes great games though. Early books were great too. He's just faded into senility or something.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #31 on:** January 06, 2003, 11:46:15 AM »

Pretty much spot on StSanta.

I think it started with "Patriot Games" when Jack Ryan sat down and told the Prince of Whales how to be a man.

It was downhill from there.

And don't even get me going on his whole concept of cause and effect in government.

AKDejaVu

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 06, 2003, 01:10:11 PM »

Peace of cake was GREAT!

lol

I will look for his WW1 ones.

hmm I liked hunt, and red storm alot, and without remorse was great.

I think he got way out there after sum of all fears though.

Boroda · « **Reply #33 on:** January 06, 2003, 01:20:39 PM »

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Originally posted by gunnss
Hmm I first read Red Storm Rising in a Barracks in Pirmasens, Germany in 87.......

It felt like he was looking over my shoulder

Gunns

Huh...

Did it really make you believe that an American tank platoon can stop three Soviet tank divisions?

The whole "Soviet" part of the plot is a complete nonsence. Makes me laugh out loud at some places. Hehe. Azerbaijanian terrorist Ibrahim Tolkadze. Ibrahim Tolkadze!!!

General Alexeyev driving to Moscow from Vnukovo through Leningrad highway!!! Kolkhoz #12345!!!!!!!!

The best phrase ever from that book is that Soviet captain is taken from the bridge after he has a "tourniquet on his neck". It's beautiful.

My diagnosis: very good read, beautiful action. Genre: non-science fiction. Closest book from "red side": Nikolay Shpanov's "First attack. The story about a future war", 1939. http://militera.lib.ru/prose/russian/shpanov/index.html

Pongo · « **Reply #34 on:** January 06, 2003, 01:30:59 PM »

Anyone count how many US CVNs have been hit or killed in Clancy books..lol
My favorite burp in Red Storm was the soviets using airborn troops to take Iceland sneaking in in cargo ships.
then thier surface to air stuff doenst work because of the salt damage...
I guess the russians didnt know they have marine forces...

Boroda · « **Reply #35 on:** January 06, 2003, 01:42:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
I guess the russians didnt know they have marine forces...

Russian marine forces ("sea infantry") are 300 years old. Founded by Peter I.

It can be interesting for you to read something about a Kerch-Feodosia landing operation during WWII.

Sea infantry was widely used in Far East against Japanese in 1945 too. I can say that Russian do have some experience.

About US CVs destroyed - last year we had several Su-24 pilots awarded Heroes of Russia for penetrating US CV groups air defence. I think someone really craped their pants when Russian supersonic planes passed over their flight decks

StSanta · « **Reply #36 on:** January 06, 2003, 02:41:49 PM »

Boroda, when was that? Any references?

I dunno if this:

would be able to defeat AWACS, F-14 Tomcats, the new F/A-18 AND the SAM missile screen. Would really like some references.

Click here for more info on the SU-24.

Mr.H · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2003, 05:02:37 AM »

Hi DeJa, i was petrel in FC

Big to you all, i couldnt be Mr.H in the game so im slogun now. Just got back into the game after about 2 years away from all flying, still prefer a dreidecker but the 109G10 is a tasty little bnz ride.

Wilbur Smith was wrong and i cant remember the name of the author i meant either........ still useless then

cya in the game.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2003, 05:22:50 AM »

The Su-24 looks amazingly like an F-111 wouldn't you say?

Like Santa says, I really doubt it could penetrate a CV group - where was it flying from?

StSanta · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2003, 07:28:28 AM »

Dowding, from what I've learned perusing the net, it's based on the Tornado and F-111. Seems they built almost a replica - must have had some decent spies.

Oh btw - anyone know where I can get hold of 'Piece a cake' the television series? I remember seeing it when I was 14 or so, and back then I thought it kicked arse, especially since the heroes could die (and stupidly sometimes).

Saintaw · « **Reply #40 on:** January 07, 2003, 08:19:27 AM »

Try "Larry Bond" (red Phoenix, Cauldron were my favourites) if you liked the old Clancy style.

Couldn't finish Bear & dragon myself, probably won't bother reading any more Clancys.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #41 on:** January 07, 2003, 08:33:26 AM »

Yeah it does look very Tornado-ish too. But the front section is almost identical to an F-111 - especially how the nose cone is curved underneath and more or less flat on top.

As for Piece of Cake, I was quite young when it was shown (8 or 9 y/o?), and it was on usually way past my bed time.

But I remember it being very good, from what I saw of it.

Unfortunately, I've looked high and low for it on VHS or DVD and can't find it anywhere.

I don't think you can buy it. Also, I don't think it's been repeated over here in the last ten years, so it's not as though I can tape it. Hell, it isn't even on any of the myriad cable channels! You can watch endless re-runs of Dallas or 'Allo 'Allo however.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #42 on:** January 07, 2003, 09:07:23 AM »

The Su-24 was a direct knock off of the F-111. The US was so worried about it that they hurried the F-15 program as a means to counter it.

Then we got to check one out after a Russian defected in it... and we weren't nearly as worried.

AKDejaVu

Habu · « **Reply #43 on:** January 07, 2003, 09:27:18 AM »

Actually it looks like the plane the F-111 was based on.

The Avro Arrow.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #44 on:** January 07, 2003, 10:23:19 AM »

LOL! wich was a copy of what century model?

The sweep wing aircraft were a different breed.

AKDejaVu