doh p38 streak over after 116 kills

[Hristo]

Originally posted by Fariz:


I remember Fishu's flying, and I remember Nath's flying. Nath is way better.

Fariz

What is 'better' in air combat ?

[Fariz]

Originally posted by Hristo:


What is 'better' in air combat ?

For me good pilot is the one who can turn the table while starts from a disadvantage and in a worse plane. If he can do it against all other AH pilots -- he is the best AH pilot.

Fariz

[Hristo]

To me the best pilot is the one who never finds himself in a situation where he has to show how good he is.

[bowser]

Ahh...so if he never goes anywhere near a fight he's the best pilot?  Got it.

bowser

[Hooligan]

Hristo:

So if enemy fighters show up above you and the bombers you are escorting, you just leave?

Hooligan

[Hristo]

When someone shoots down 278 planes and never gets shot down in AH, he is the best pilot in AH.

If someone escorts bombers and finds enemy above him, he is not the best pilot. He made a mistake.

[ 01-08-2002: Message edited by: Hristo ]

[Kieran]

Ahh...so if he never goes anywhere near a fight he's the best pilot? Got it.
bowser

 

Quote of the week candidate.  

Hristo, I know Fishu is a good stick; but you have to admit, these guys have a point. Whereas Fishu has displayed exceptional ability in one fashion, it remains to be determined whether he excels in a like fashion in other forms of combat, i.e. escort. Like it or not, there are better-rounded pilots out there that can do it all- maybe not run up large kill streaks, but you are pretty sure when they are around you will get kills and so would they. Mitsu, Fester, Drex, Ygsmilo, etc., are better overall pilots.

Fishu is a lone-wolf pilot without peer. He may be the best overall pilot, but I don't think we have enough evidence to know. Guess the only way we will know is if he comes back and shows us.  

[AKSWulfe]

Yeah, 278 kills with a .0009 kill/time stat....

I could do that just by hanging in the outskirts of a furball, but I ain't got an hour to kill just to get one victory.
-SW

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Hristo:
If AH was a big furball with everyone pulling the stick like mad, Spit V would be top killer.

No, the Zeke (for pure turning ability) or the Hurricane IIC (for turning ability combined with guns) would dominate.  Both planes also appear to take more damage than the Spit V, the Hurricane substantially so.

 

95% of AH players can jump in Spit V, rack up 3 kills in furball and die. In situation where everyone is pulling the stick all the way back, Spit V dominates. It starts to suffer when other people let go off the stick. Outside of furballs, Spit V is hopeless.

First of all, it doesn't dominate in the situation you've just described.  Neither the plane statistics nor the kill buffer substantiate your ridiculous claim that 95% of all Spit V pilots can achieve three kills on average while furballing.  It's simply not true, and doubtless even you'd have difficulty achieving a 3:1 K/D ratio if you're simply turning ad infinitum in a furball.

The Spit V is a competent plane outside of furballs if flown properly.  Unless you mean that it can't chase down running.. err... tactically retreating... enemies, in which case you'd be right.  But inability to catch an opponent does not necessarily equate to hopelessness.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Vulcan]

Yup thats not really a hard thing to acheive, especially in an A8. Sounds like climb somewhere safe, cruise to edge of fight or their base, vulch em, run, climb somewhere safe again. Kinda like watching grass grow.

Its like the guys who fly buffs to 35k... whats the challenge? Then the guys like Craven who fly their buffs in at 10k FOR the challenge  

If you take the time I'd say the top 30% of guys in AH could accomplish this easily. Whereas when you fight Cit, or Drex, or Mitsu, you really know it coz you come out with a sore bellybutton saying "how the f**k"...  


 

Originally posted by SWulfe:
Yeah, 278 kills with a .0009 kill/time stat....

I could do that just by hanging in the outskirts of a furball, but I ain't got an hour to kill just to get one victory.
-SW

[Hristo]

Yea, that quote would probably be the quote of the week. Totally out of context and robbed of its true meaning. Be sure to have the 278/0 attached to it when you post it though.

In the end, everyone flies the way he enjoys it. Nothing wrong with it. If everyone flew smart, there would be no cherries to pick.

However, this whole discussion started when certain types tried to question Fishu's record. Pretty low, IMO. I remember him being accused of even exploiting the volcano bug for it.

In fact, I remember the time when he was doing it. He was taunted by 2 P51 pilots when he dove to ack from them. If he was a Quaker, he'd turn around for sure. Would that make him a brave pilot ? Hardly, we don't die here.

Fishu knocked down 278 planes in Fw 190A-8 ! And nobody got him ! Nobody out of those P51s, G-10s, Nikis, Spits and La5FNs. That counts in my book. 278/0. It is way different than knocking down 400 planes while being shot down 100 times.

Fishu deserves more than just being called a cherrypicker for his achievement.

As for being well rounded - it is a possibility that there are better overall pilots. They learned their knolwedge by countless deaths and reups. Constant streaking may make you rusty in stallfighting techniques and ACM (and hitting the silk, for that matter).

But streaking develops other skills, patience being one of the most imporetant. Constant fighting from disadvantage might earn you respect, but you are still fighting other guy's fight. I have tried most of these tactics and only streaking gets my attention in the long run.

Still, and IMO, streaking is The Most Intense way of flying in online sims. It always was for me. You are not allowed a single mistake for a whole tour - otherwise it is all lost. Now that is demanding.

Speaking of best pilots - I'd rather have my airforce full of sneaky old foxes than of furballing whirling dervishes.

Over and out

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Hristo:
When someone shoots down 278 planes and never gets shot down in AH, he is the best pilot in AH.

Nope, wrong again.  Flying conservatively and achieving a large number of kills to no deaths is just fine, but it's no objective measure of skill... more like a measure of patience and self-control, but doubtful skill.

 

If someone escorts bombers and finds enemy above him, he is not the best pilot. He made a mistake.

Now this is just idiotic.  Why not go orbital to 50k in a 262 every flight?  I guarantee you'll be the best out there.

Altitude does not equal skill, it equals opportunity.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Kieran]

Step off the high-horse, Hristo. You wanna worship Fishu, fine. Speaking for myself, I respect what I saw, but I won't extrapolate on what I didn't. You basically tell us to not disrespect your style of flight while disprespecting others.

As for the quote? I'll stand on it, but if you prefer, we can lay both quotes side-by-side. It doesn't change it in any way if you ask me.

 

To me the best pilot is the one who never finds himself in a situation where he has to show how good he is. - Hristo

 

Ahh...so if he never goes anywhere near a fight he's the best pilot? Got it.
-bowser

 

How can you be so certain a pilot is "good" unless he is tested. What you seem to admire in Fishu is his ability to avoid a challenge- or am I reading you wrong, too? I have to agree with Lazs here, the steely discipline you talk about here sounds to me like an ability to fight off the waves of boredom that attempt to overwhelm you. Your inner child is calling "have fun", but the adult in you is forced to quantify that fun- that is, attach a number to it.

But, don't recognize the fact that there are probably any number of pilots who quite possibly could give Fishu a run for his money in a fair fight. You can believe he is "the best" if you wish, I suppose. I won't say he isn't; I say there is no way to know based on one stat.

[Hristo]

OK, back to the discussion.

 

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying:
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Now this is just idiotic.  Why not go orbital to 50k in a 262 every flight?  I guarantee you'll be the best out there.

Altitude does not equal skill, it equals opportunity.

-- Todd/Leviathn

So, according to DMF, Todd and Leviathn, a good pilot defends bombers from disadvantage, counting on skill to create the opportunity ?

What would the bomber guys say about that pilot. Idiotic, maybe ?

Kieran, good post. But how do you know about the waves of boredom ? How do you know what is boring to someone else ? How do you know what is a challenge to Fishu ? Maybe his streak was a bigger challenge than 2 P51s taunting him.

Some of us cherrypickers made a choice in our online flightsim carrer. I am still not bored with my choice.

Although I admit, I am bad at respecting other people's flying style. Sorry  

P.S.
And it is not that some of the great pilots mentioned above are not trying to beat Fishu's record  . It is stil here, 2 years now.

[Kieran]

Really, Hristo, I put that reference in their tongue-in-cheek. I will flat out say I couldn't ever achieve that number because I would ultimately tire of it- assuming I have the skill to do it anyway (which I doubt). I am not in that league. Somehow I still manage to find a way to enjoy this sim, even though I am doomed to be a lesser pilot with horrible streak capability.  

And if you know me, you know I don't really care how anyone plays and honestly believe every level of play requires some skill. That is one reason I suppose I don't like to see people calling for ways to limit what others do- everyone can attribute validity to what they do, and tear down what others do. But why? It's a big world, and we can certainly all do what we like in it as far as I can tell.