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Offline Suave

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« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2003, 01:24:08 PM »
All this america bashing/eurobashing is really nonproductive and stupid . Yes america was the pivotal force that helped the allies win WWII . Yes it is a sad fact and one that I am ashamed of that america did not come to europes aid untill after we were attacked . The battle of britain may have been their finest hour, but it never should've happened . As for the french, french soldiers and legionares have a long history of being world renowned for their courage. People seem to like to forget that, even though they will never let the french forget that they surrendered for a brief time in WWII .

The nationalistic teasing we're seeing in the community now has gone beyond good natured I think .

Those who are causing this rift in the community with their antogonistic threads are doing so because they crave the attention .

Lets stop gratifying them.

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« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2003, 01:24:16 PM »
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LOL...does anyone ever really "win" in a BBS debate?;)
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« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2003, 01:26:37 PM »
True... right about now would be a good time for the special olympics photoshopped graphic. (Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you're still a tard) :)
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« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2003, 01:27:14 PM »
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LOL...does anyone ever really "win" in a BBS debate?;)


Yes, often. But nobody ever admits to loosing .

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« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2003, 02:40:27 PM »
Good point Suave. Without the Brits, to be more specific without Winston Churchill, saying: "No, we won't negoiate a settlement..." American intervention would have been a non issue. Those dark days when England stood alone cannot be forgotten.

To be fair, it took a while for the US people to realize that this wasn't just another European pissing match like WW1, and to realize that the Facists were really as bad as they were. Even in Britain, there were those who somewhat admired facism (not Nazi racial theory per se) and would have been willing to settle if it weren't for Winston Curchill. Never has so much been owed by so many to just one individual.

Of course, the US was still training with wooden tanks at the time so there were some practical reasons to hesitate as well, and we knew that within a handful of years we would be fighting a major war in the Pacific. Pearl Harbor was the stiff dose of medecine that shifted things into high gear, for a country that, like all the others non agressors hesitated going to war for as long as possible.

And, the Russians at the cost of 22 million, made the job that much easier in the end. Given Germany's production and manpower limitations they were bound to lose once either the US or a revitalized USSR ramped up, but it took a team effort to make that happen.

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« Reply #80 on: January 07, 2003, 02:42:12 PM »
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LOL...does anyone ever really "win" in a BBS debate?;)


I do all the time.


Surprised no one noticed. :p

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« Reply #81 on: January 07, 2003, 03:46:21 PM »
Dago - you said 'English flight sim con' - read it again, that can be taken two ways.

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And for a year and a half America fought it's own war on it's own front- in the Pacific...


That's so untrue it hurts. You're forgetting the aptly titled (;)) 'Forgotten War' fought by British and Commonwealth forces from Japan's involvement to the end. Many servicemen lost their lives in some of the most brutal jungle fighting imaginable. Yet they are barely recognised for their achievements and sacrifices.
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« Reply #82 on: January 07, 2003, 04:18:59 PM »
Someone wrote:

For this thread to be a red herring form of invalid argument Toad would need to be debating an issue . He isn't. He just stated a fact .

This is a thread that was created in continuation on the debate on why Americans seemingly aren't interested in travelling abroad. It was a direct commentary at it, if disguised.

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« Reply #83 on: January 07, 2003, 05:11:15 PM »
I already know that there were British, Australian and various other nationalities fighting Japan... but not on the scale that Americans were involved in the European conflict (when they got there).

I guess since you threw that in there... Americans were there from the start in Europe to. Albeit volunteer groups, but nonetheless you wanna split hairs, I will too.
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« Reply #84 on: January 07, 2003, 05:24:09 PM »
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This is a thread that was created in continuation on the debate on why Americans seemingly aren't interested in travelling abroad. It was a direct commentary at it, if disguised.


You're stating a presumption as if it were a fact .

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« Reply #85 on: January 07, 2003, 05:29:33 PM »
Hi,

aren't you all getting bored? I mean...all these threads turn in circles...

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« Reply #86 on: January 07, 2003, 05:33:42 PM »
Yes we're bored, that's why we're here .

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« Reply #87 on: January 07, 2003, 05:38:29 PM »
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I already know that there were British, Australian and various other nationalities fighting Japan... but not on the scale that Americans were involved in the European conflict (when they got there).


True, but not your original point.

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I guess since you threw that in there... Americans were there from the start in Europe to. Albeit volunteer groups, but nonetheless you wanna split hairs, I will too.


You're comparing a squadron of American volunteers to the 25 regular RAF and Commonwealth squadrons staioned in the Far East by 1942? I hardly call that a token force. Ground forces numbered around 10 divisions on the 8th December, 1941. Sea forces were not insignificant, including a carrier and a battleship.

The Chindit operations in Burma involved over 300,000 men.

I still stand by my comment that the US was not fighting alone against the Japanese.
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« Reply #88 on: January 07, 2003, 05:42:58 PM »
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True, but not your original point.


What was my original point? That America was fighting alone?

You fabricated that one in your own mind.
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« Reply #89 on: January 07, 2003, 10:14:19 PM »
Thank you, gentlemen.

Most enlightening.
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