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GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #120 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:32:49 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
An extermely naive and ignorant statement.

Yep, as are most by communist supporters - unfortunately...

Ping · « **Reply #121 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:38:30 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
An extermely naive and ignorant statement.

Not entirely, The basic ideals were that all would be equal and would all contribute to the collective group.
It just so happens that Tyrannical rulers were the ones instating it.

I do not admire any of those rulers associated with Communism, just pointing out that the basic ideals are noble in thought.

The USA's founding fathers also expounded the ideals of equality.
Noble yes. Dont confuse admiration of a Noble thought with admiring Murderous Dictators.

Ping · « **Reply #122 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:39:39 PM »

Grun: I do not support communism...its your fanatacism that sees support every where you look.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #123 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:44:21 PM »

No Ping.

Explain the nobility of stealing the crops of common farmers for distribution by a central comitte?

Explain the nobility of telling a young business owner that he no longer has any management rights in his own shop?

Explain the nobility of relieving all normal citizens from the responsibilites to their own finances.

Explain this wonderous definition of noble that you seem to hold, please.

I am simply stunned...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #124 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:46:04 PM »

Saying the goals of communism are noble, despite all the worlds evidence and suffering, sure is a strong statement against it! I learn so much every day...

It's interesting you bring up the US founders and their idea of Equality. They never tried to force mandatory equality on everyone - they tried as best they could within the restraints of the time, sytematic racism and sexism etc, to provide conditions for people to achive their best, there was no guarantee of anything beyond some reasonable hope and a chance to try.

In fact one could argue that is perhaps the key difference between basic propaganda of communism/socialism and the basic ideals capialism and democracy. The conflict wheter the system should guarantee a supposedly perfect forced solution or just provide a framework to enable us all to find soultions together over time.

Is it any wonder then that communism propaganda leads to people thinking it has noble aspirations, I mean who woldnt want to dream about a perfect world - Urchin even called his communist vision of a perfect country "Utopia"...

mietla · « **Reply #125 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:46:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Ping
The basic ideals were that all would be equal and would all contribute to the collective group.

My point exactly. That's the "naive" part of your post.

How naive you have to be in order to be convinced by some phony ideolog that this is possible.

Besides, it's beyond me why would you find it desirable. I find it abhorring.

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The USA's founding fathers also expounded the ideals of equality.
Noble yes. Dont confuse admiration of a Noble thought with admiring Murderous Dictators.

Nonsense. This is an "ignorant" part of your post.

Equality before the law... Absolutely.

"Sameness" every where... it's idiotic and abhorring. Everybody equally cold living in the same color mud-hut (don't expect anything more), everybody eating their own toejam (but will there be enough for everybody).

Ping · « **Reply #126 on:** January 13, 2003, 05:57:30 PM »

Why do you take it that I am convinced of this ideal of communism?

I merely stated that the basic ideals of Equality and all contributing are a noble thought.

Never did I say that I am drawn towards communism..I detest it.
Never did I say sameness..rather boring dont you think.

Don't put words in my mouth. I expect more from rational thinking beings mietla.
All of us contribute to the society we live in do we not? That is what I refer to when I say contribute.
Equality: as human beings we are in essence equal..both put on our pants one leg at a time. I do not perceive you as being godlike...Hell even Pyro and hitech aren't godlike. As far as I'm concerned I am their equal.
Do you get the point?

Once again, dont put words into others mouth to try to prove a point.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #127 on:** January 13, 2003, 06:00:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Ping
Grun. the ideals that communism held were noble.

You did all the putting of words in your mouth....

Ping · « **Reply #128 on:** January 13, 2003, 06:05:30 PM »

Ideals of communism. Equality and all Contributing.

Your right. However I did not say I was drawn to communism. Idid not say anything about admiring the leaders of communism.
Need I go on?
You would have done well in the Mcarthy era.
Communists, communists everywhere.
Your Rabid dog syndrome needs to be calmed down.
To want Equality and have everybody working is a noble Ideal..Hence the reason your country is working towards that.

Ping · « **Reply #129 on:** January 13, 2003, 06:09:19 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla

How naive you have to be in order to be convinced by some phony ideolog that this is possible.

Besides, it's beyond me why would you find it desirable. I find it abhorring.

Nonsense. This is an "ignorant" part of your post.

"Sameness" every where... it's idiotic and abhorring. Everybody equally cold living in the same color mud-hut (don't expect anything more), everybody eating their own toejam (but will there be enough for everybody).

These are the points you claimed I made. I would suggest you read throught my posts and find where I said this.
I will now name this phenomenom "Rabid Dawg Syndrome" .

Its sad that you have reach out to find an argument..cant you just get married and have em there?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #130 on:** January 13, 2003, 06:10:15 PM »

"To want Equality and have everybody working is a noble Ideal."

That is an incredibly naive view of what communism is and stnds for. If you think that way about it, you support it in your heart wheter you realize that or not.

Ping · « **Reply #131 on:** January 13, 2003, 06:18:44 PM »

Grun Grun Grun...What would your founding fathers have thought of your classification of their goals.I guess Bush is a communist because he wants all americans to have work. Equality of the sexes and races, cant have that or we will be communist.

I think from now on I will just poke fun at you and watch you foam at the mouth like the rabid Mcarthyite that you are.
You really should be living in the 50's where you would much better fit in. I'm guessing you are still a child and unable to draw conclusions and ascertain facts.

Tell me about your Mother.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #132 on:** January 13, 2003, 06:40:44 PM »

Lets put it this way Ping...

You said:

Ideals of communism. Equality and all Contributing.

The basic ideals were that all would be equal and would all contribute to the collective group.

Grun. the ideals that communism held were noble.

just pointing out that the basic ideals are noble in thought.

You also said:

It just so happens that Tyrannical rulers were the ones instating it.

So which is it for you Ping Is communism bad or is it the bad leaders? If you actually believe that the ideals of communism are pure and noble and all about equality then why wouldnt you support communism? Why not say communism is a great idea but never had good leaders to run it succesfuly?

And I think it's really funny to be called a child by a person who thinks communism was noble.

As for the founding fathers:

I think this bit from the decleration of independance makes it pretty clear, there is no guarantee of absolute equality, just an assuracnce of a chance.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

Your ignorance lies in the fact that you actually think the communist concept of "equality" is the same one as held by the founders of the USA. Nowore do the foundng fatheres guarantee equality except before the law. They make no attamt to centarly arrange the economy so that they assure everyione is equal in everything.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #133 on:** January 13, 2003, 06:42:07 PM »

"I think from now on I will just poke fun at you "

Brilliant....

I think this thread is a perfect example as to why its pointless to waste breath and time on communist leaning types. They simply lack the understanding to be able to learn and accept why communism is inherently wrong in its principles. Please note that despite his vehement protestations to the contrary that not once has Ping demonstrated any disagreement with the basic tenents of communism - in fact has has repeatedly gone out of his way to state that they are, indeed, noble....

Ping · « **Reply #134 on:** January 13, 2003, 07:03:16 PM »

I shall type slowly so you get this right.

The Ideals of Comunism..that of Equality and all contributing, are Noble.

I do not agree with the practice of communism.
All the leaders of communist Nations have been corrupt tyrants.
OK?
Pretty straight forward.
The Bible said it best. Man will continue to dominate man to his injury.
I agree with the Noble Ideals of Equality and all contributing to society....In their own capacity and in a capitilistic manner to earn what they are worth.
Do I need my lawyer to right this down for you?