Author Topic: Affirmative Action (Read 6298 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #165 on:** January 20, 2003, 05:50:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Even if it wasn't placed there on purpose, does that make it less racially biased?

Tell me how it is a racially biased question THrawn?

Think hard.

Thrawn · « **Reply #166 on:** January 20, 2003, 05:50:57 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
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so much for AA doing more good than harm

Your analogy didn't show that AA does more harm then good. It's just an example were in one case it does harm.

In fact Univerities that us AA have shown an increase in diversity on their campuses. But still not proportional to the population of the US.

midnight Target · « **Reply #167 on:** January 20, 2003, 05:51:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
Mietla.

I agree. If the racial apologists don't like the SATS, design another one. They've certainly had the time. I wonder what it would look like? Would it resemble the language of commerce and science? I wonder.

Sometimes I feel that people take sides as if picking which football team to root for. And from that point on, tune out any ideas contrary to their team's.

Like MT?

I'm still waiting for an answer to my question MT. I will wait as long as it takes...

The "new" SAT is slated to start in 2005.

Hello pot this is kettle. I posted a racialy biased question, One that was proven to be racially biased, based upon the test scores of white and hispanic students on that particular question. Yet you "experts" "Fail to see the bias". Even the test makers thought it was biased and removed it... sheesh!

This thread isn't about reparations Gunthr. If you want to discuss that then start a new one.

Gunthr · « **Reply #168 on:** January 20, 2003, 05:54:04 PM »

MT.

I'm still waiting for your answer:

How do you feel about Cash Reparations for past discrimination that black people have suffered in America?

AKIron · « **Reply #169 on:** January 20, 2003, 05:55:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Sure it does. Lets make up a test with no racially biased questions. No lets have white people generally get a better education for this test.

Hey, check it out, white people do better at this test.

There ya have it. It's not biased testing. That's a lie that only perpetuates the problem. Apparently white people get a better education. Let's fix the problem at the root. Vouchers are the most sure fire way to do that imo.

NUKE · « **Reply #170 on:** January 20, 2003, 05:55:11 PM »

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The "new" SAT is slated to start in 2005.

Hello pot this is kettle. I posted a racialy biased question, One that was proven to be racially biased, based upon the test scores of white and hispanic students on that particular question. Yet you "experts" "Fail to see the bias". Even the test makers thought it was biased and removed it... sheesh!

This thread isn't about reparations Gunthr. If you want to discuss that then start a new one.

I will debate you on that point MT.

How is the question racially biased?

Is it biased against Hispanics born and raised in the US? Or is it biased against white people raised in Mexico?

How does race figure in the equation?

Use your IQ and lets argue this point....I will win

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #171 on:** January 20, 2003, 05:57:02 PM »

MT- unfortunately those people are complete idiots and failed to realise it was an association of geography and not race that would make that question unanswerable by people of that region.

You don't have to be hispanic to be from South America, just like you don't have to be black to be from Africa.
-SW

mietla · « **Reply #172 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:01:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Thanks.

again, thanks for what? You act as you cought me in some kind of trap.

You are citing someone's opinion as if it was a fact. It isn't.

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"IQ" stands for "intelligence quotient." A person's IQ is supposed to be a measure of that person's intelligence: the higher the IQ number, the greater the intelligence. This is inaccurate, however, since it assumes that there is only one kind of intelligence. Most people recognize that there are some people with fantastic memories, some with mathematical minds, some with musical genius, some with mechanical expertise, some with good vocabularies, some good at seeing analogies, some good at synthesizing, some at unifying, etc. Some people excel at more than one of these behaviors. It would be more accurate to speak of human intelligences than of intelligence. An IQ test, therefore, should be considered a measure of some kinds of intelligence, but not all. The most accurate claim one can make about an IQ test is that it measures IQ. [/url]

Hehe, that was my intended gotcha in this round.

I suspected that you or someone else will bring this into play.

I disagree completely.

Musical genius is just that a musical genius. Fantastic memory is again, just that, a fantastic memory. Same for the rest of his "intelligences". It's crap. How can you call someone intelligent just because he can play an instrument, play basketball or be a good mechanic?

The guy is trying to muddle waters by saying that since everybody has "some" talent, therefore everybody is "equally intelligent". Utter Nonsense.

Thrawn · « **Reply #173 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:02:46 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
There ya have it. It's not biased testing. That's a lie that only perpetuates the problem. Apparently white people get a better education. Let's fix the problem at the root. Vouchers are the most sure fire way to do that imo.

I never said the there weren't biased questions. I just pointed out how a test could be biased without the questions being biased. Although I agree completely that the disparaty in education is a much larger problem and you could kill two birds with one stone.

How do school boards get their money in the US?

NUKE · « **Reply #174 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:06:59 PM »

IQ tests measure a good range of mental abilities.

Thrawn · « **Reply #175 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:07:18 PM »

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Originally posted by mietla
again, thanks for what? You act as you cought me in some kind of trap.

It was an honest appreciation for your explanation. I'm not playing games.

EDIT: PS, when I posted "Gotcha" I ment it as "I understand you."

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

Thrawn · « **Reply #176 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:08:19 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
IQ tests measure a good range of mental abilities.

Which mental abilities does it messure?

Gunthr · « **Reply #177 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:11:42 PM »

Thrawn,

Why won't MT answer my question about how he feels regarding Reparations (cash payouts to black people who have been discriminated in the past)?

He earlier implied that you do a good job speaking for him. Would you speak for him now, please?

mietla · « **Reply #178 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:12:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
It was an honest appreciation for your explanation. I'm not playing games.

EDIT: PS, when I posted "Gotcha" I ment it as "I understand you."

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

ok, thanks then... (I guess)

You know a person get very sceptical and suspicious on these boeards.

Kanth · « **Reply #179 on:** January 20, 2003, 06:14:55 PM »

It makes it not racially biased at all.

It's biased against people not from yellow-lemon land, regardless of race.

immigrants, foreigners, citizens who grew up elsewhere.

Has nothing to do with race tho has to do with locale.

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Even if it wasn't placed there on purpose, does that make it less racially biased?