Author Topic: mp3'ers beware  (Read 4552 times)

Offline whgates3

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1426
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2003, 03:31:56 PM »
...so why not try getting a foreign ISP for hosting services?

Offline midnight Target

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15114
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2003, 05:12:51 PM »
Wherehouse Music filed for chapter 11 yesterday. Music sales are down over 11% in one year.

Offline Pfunk

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1308
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2003, 05:56:20 PM »
Screw em, I am tired of paying for little squeakes like Sean P Crappy Diddy Turd Nugget, J Ho Lopez, etc etc to ride around with 5 man servants etc etc,  Ever watch MTV cribs?  Even no talent assclowns like O'Town and other morons have 8 cars, 3 houses, $20,000 flat screen tvs in every room including the toejamter.  I say if record sales are decreasing, have these jackoffs take a pay cut.  I havent bought a cd in over 4 years, and have 3000+ of them in my collection with 98% of them being downloaded.  Its pretty simple actually, if you dont wanna get busted with "pirated" music, burn the toejam to a CD and get it off your hard drive.  That or keep it on there and dont "share" your files with other users.  You can have 10,000 MP3's stored on your computer but there is a loophole in their law, if you dont share em they cant do toejam.

Offline Eagler

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18203
update
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2003, 11:36:37 AM »
"Masters of the Air" Scenario - JG27


Intel Core i7-13700KF | GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite AX | 64GB G.Skill DDR5 | 16GB GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Ti Super | 850 watt ps | pimax Crystal Light | Warthog stick | TM1600 throttle | VKB Mk.V Rudder

Offline LePaul

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7988
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2003, 11:44:11 AM »
This will be interesting...whose interests will be protected...those of the individual, or those of RIAA

I'm rooting for individuals.  RIAA hasn't changed how they do anything, just trying to muscle people into paying for shoddy products and services in the music biz.  Its a pity they do not understand how disgruntled consumers are.

Offline Tarmac

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3988
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2003, 11:46:22 AM »
sigh

At least we know that there are big corporate interests on the downloader's side that are trying to protect online privacy.

Offline muckmaw

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3874
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2003, 11:47:11 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Pfunk
Screw em, I am tired of paying for little squeakes like Sean P Crappy Diddy Turd Nugget, J Ho Lopez, etc etc to ride around with 5 man servants etc etc,  Ever watch MTV cribs?  Even no talent assclowns like O'Town and other morons have 8 cars, 3 houses, $20,000 flat screen tvs in every room including the ****ter.  I say if record sales are decreasing, have these jackoffs take a pay cut.  I havent bought a cd in over 4 years, and have 3000+ of them in my collection with 98% of them being downloaded.  Its pretty simple actually, if you dont wanna get busted with "pirated" music, burn the **** to a CD and get it off your hard drive.  That or keep it on there and dont "share" your files with other users.  You can have 10,000 MP3's stored on your computer but there is a loophole in their law, if you dont share em they cant do ****.



Good Advice Funk!

I remember reading in Maxim a while back how much money of a CD's sales actually goes to the artist. I think it was less than 5%. The rest goes to the manufacturer (A tiny percentage). Guess who gets the rest? The record company and the fat cat CEO's with their 20 million dollar annual bonuses, Mansions and trophy wives. You know, the enron style bastards? The same types who were trying to take huge bonuses at American Airlines, while asking working stiff like mechanics to take pay cuts?

So the record companys take it in the prettythang. Boo-F*cking-Hoo.

About tiime they get it. Meanwhile, the average blue collar/off white collar workers like you and me get laid off.

You know what, I would not pay a friggin dime to buy a CD ever again. I would go back to taping songs off the radio if I need to.

I'm not putting another cent into these crooked salamanders pockets.

Offline Udie

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3395
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2003, 11:54:33 AM »
LOL

 I always find this issue funny.  People getting pissed off because they are caught in thier thievery.

 Plain and simple it's a copyright violation to do what you mp3'rs do, which is against the law.  PERIOD.

 I hope they throw the book at this guy....

Offline Dinger

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1705
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2003, 11:59:45 AM »
Folks, most recording artists don't make crap either.  It's not that their music doesn't make millions, it's that they don't see it.
This was the case before napster.

The record companies have been a classic oligopoly.  Back when they shifted from vinyl to CD (when the power and draw of independent was at its zenith, incidentally), they doubled the price of music and they slashed the royalties to artists, and they did this while shifting to a medium that even then had a far lower material cost.
Then remember their war against used CDs?

Now CD burners are almost as ubiquitous as cassette recorders; and the internet -- in spite of their efforts -- is a force they can't stop.

Music piracy is so pervasive, they're left iwth the following options:

A) Let it go unchecked (and go bankrupt).
B) Adapt their business model (but to what?)
C) Use expensive security technologies to limit duplication (the software industry found out long ago that these don't work).
D) Threaten lawsuits against the millions of pirates (suing your potential customers is not good business)
E) Try to shut down the internet as we know it (spend lots of cash in Washington -- after all those guys don't know crap about technology)
F) Take advantage of the internet's weaknesses to make music piracy an inherently risky proposition.  Use third parties to exploit weaknesses and screw with people's computers who pirate music.

I'd take F.  Kazaa is already a giant trojan horse, why not make it work for the record companies?


---
anyway, the point is that all those years of screwing people over have come back to bite them in the prettythang.  The recording industry for years has worked on the principle that people buy their music from them because they're the only source for the music people are exposed to in their daily lives (MTV, radio, and so on).  And on the other side, they've exploited artists for the same reason.
Now those decades of greed have caught up with them, and, illegal or no, they're losing their core revenue stream, and the only effective thing business-wise that I see they can do about it is resort to illegal tactics themselves.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2003, 12:04:00 PM by Dinger »

Offline LePaul

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7988
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2003, 12:04:42 PM »
Seems to me they are using option "D"

Trying to scare consumers into buying their goods

Offline OIO

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1520
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2003, 12:09:06 PM »
Welp, I dont buy CD's since I could make my own in my cdrw.

Only in the rare instance that my fave. artist releases a CD with the songs I like in one CD do I buy it... and this hasnt happened in 2 years now.

A while ago there was an online company that had the right idea: customized CD's.

You'd go to their website, select the songs you wanted, and buy them. Each song had a price. Artists got their royalties, but I think the record companies didnt. So naturally, this medium of bussiness got closed down in less than a year.

The monopoly those companies have is even more evil than Microsoft's in my opinion.

And they wont put a stop to file sharing. EVER. They can hunt down every file sharing server in the US, there will be one opened in korea, chile, netherlands, south africa. And theres nothing they can do about it.

Empire records and the such should just pull their heads out their arses and instead try to take advantage of the internet for their own benefit. The first of these big companies to actually offer custom built CD's over the internet, either for download or delivered to one's door will swamp the competition and stay in bussiness.. the oppressive stance they are taking now is only running them out of bussiness and giving more people more reasons to share music online.

Offline SOB

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10138
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2003, 12:10:58 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Udie
LOL

 I always find this issue funny.  People getting pissed off because they are caught in thier thievery.

 Plain and simple it's a copyright violation to do what you mp3'rs do, which is against the law.  PERIOD.

 I hope they throw the book at this guy....


So, you have no problem with your ISP being forced to hand your identity over to any media company who will only need to fill out a form and submit it to your ISP?  This is less about piracy and more about a poorly written law.


SOB
Three Times One Minus One.  Dayum!

Offline muckmaw

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3874
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2003, 12:14:02 PM »
They can try anything they want...

Like the others said..You plunk down $17.99 for a CD with one good song, and the rest is filler crap.

I'll listen to the radio before I have my intelligence insulted again.

Anyone work for the Music Industry...


Here's the plan:

I'm the CEO of Sony music. Come to my websight. I'll have EVERY  TITLE of EVERY SONG in my companies library, available to you, for fast, quality download. Pick any song you want! Mic and match. Eminem..Barry manilow...Quiet Riot....download em all, and put them on a CD!! I'll let you do it. The catch?  You have to pay 50 cents a song. Sure, your getting a 15 track CD for $7.50.

But I don't have to make a CD, package it, ship it, pay a retailer.

I'd rather have 1/2 of 15 bucks, than 0% of 17.95.

Why don't they just do it this way?

Offline Tarmac

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3988
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2003, 12:17:49 PM »
Hmmm... buying individual songs on customized CDs... I'd pay for that.  Maybe let you listen to songs as low quality streaming audio.  Record companies mix in other songs that are similar.  Kind of like those "people who bought this product also bought..." things on amazon and newegg.  That way, you get exposed to new music (and keep buying), while also getting to sample your favorite songs.  Then you buy the mixed CD, maybe adding one or two of the unrequested songs in there.  Record companies sell a CD, artists get some $, you get your music, you discover a new band and want to buy their music... cycle repeats.

Offline Mickey1992

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3362
mp3'ers beware
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2003, 12:18:35 PM »
I find it funny that the people that open up their PCs to file sharing peer-to-peer networks are the first to cry that their right to privacy has been violated.  If you don't want people to see what you are doing, stop doing it over open networks.