beta terrain? why

[-towd_]

read in another post that the reintroduction of the beta terrain is in the next version? why who wants it?
has there been a out cry for the friggin beta terrain? if so i missed it .

 or conversly have you given it some improvement? that would make the tired bellybutton terrain worth it? we want historical terrain and have waited a year already sheesh

and where if we dont like the ju 88  we can go make our own sim ( lots of other people are makin other sims  and being rude to the customers is a great way of losin customers)not the boot lickers who will shurly flame me for questioning the godlike wisdom of htc even tho they have no idea what is goin on .you got them for life my condolences. they have killed most verbal interaction on this bbs with their endless haranging of anyone who questions anything about the game.

30 bucks is a amount that must be justified  and i have no idea where this sim is goin . other than reading posts where hts claims the buff guns are no different from fighter guns ( yall lost alot of credibility on that one)


in short im payin and have since day one (so no snyde comment about fraud) and am startin to get tired of the similaritys of this sim to the old wb crap ( any voice of desention is runn off fast )  and changes every version that inhibit playability ( i.e. hog c) and the lasers wich took months of ( wineing or is it complaining when we are right? to get toned down to meer silly ness ) killin a panzer with a level ho in a hog is still totaly stupid and possible )


people beg for a 2 sided war and we get  3 sides. great for a sim or is is so one side can keep up the vulch constantly? the side changes but it is always some version of 2 on one ALWAYS

same with d 1.8 kills from buffs, arena is full of offensive b 26s lol.  people dont try to intercept much so bases are alway porked almost at will.this is for the sake of playability (ohh i forgot it is a figment of my imagination and everyone elses apperently)


(note to flamers

if you dont like what i say great!! im talkin to htc not the crowd of bellybutton kissers who attack all who complain) or are they one in the same?

towd

[BotaBing]

I would love to see a 2-sided war as well. I would like this game MUCH more if the planes were divided between axis & allies.

It would also be great if we were fighting in realistic theatres.

[-towd_]

bota they gona go after you to   watch out

[HaHa]

The rudeness of the message wasn't necessary but it makes some valid points.

1) Direction of AH is exactly what?

2) 2-sided war and historical arena is needed

But some points are seriously flawed. The beta terrain is needed and as per other games that supported mods (e.g. countr-strike), people can now make their own maps and submit them. I suspect the beta terrain is the best damn move HTC could make... I for one look forward to making some cool looking maps.

1.8 kills - have no idea what thats about - never seen it. Although range behind a buff is further for hitting a target (because the plane is flying towards you ?)

I used to pay but dont play anymore because I want to wait until more features make it in. REMEMBER the HTC crew is small so they can't directly compete with the big boys - but damn they are doing a good job trying.

[Downtown]

Cause of the canyons?

My guess is primarily a Test Arena for new things   ?

Cause the canyon fights were pretty cool?

A place holder on the server for future arenas?

Maybe they have water on it and want to play with a carrier?

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[Yoda]

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[Toad]

 

Originally posted by -towd_:
....( lots of other people are makin other sims  and being rude to the customers is a great way of losin customers)...towd

So, being rude to the DEVELOPERS would then be the best way to get changes made to the sim programming? AH! I see! Great idea! Somehow, I never thought of that; thanks!
 

Hi, my name is Toad and I'm a recovering ass-kisser!

Towd, I don't object to complaints or suggestions. I object to people that needlessly attack or accuse the developers when making suggestions and stating complaints.

I think HTC is trying to do the best they can.

They need to know the complaints and suggestions but there is no reason why those can't be made in a civilized manner. Why should we be at verbal war with the developers of the sim we like to play?

Simply being rational and polite would probably go a long way.

[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 07-25-2000).]

[Westy]

"Simply being rational and polite would probably go a long way."

 I've yet to see that from Towd. It's shame because he might actually have a good point or question one of these days but it's buried beneath so much whine and toejam.

-Westy

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by -towd_:

(note to flamers

if you dont like what i say great!! im talkin to htc not the crowd of bellybutton kissers who attack all who complain) or are they one in the same?

towd

Then why didn't you just email HTC directly?

Cobra

[Pyro]

Towd, it's not about agreeing or disagreeing with us.  It's about being able voice your opinions with at least a modicum of social skill.  What is the point of me trying to discuss something with you when you're essentially calling me a liar?  If you were to question whether the system had a bug in it or was not working as advertised, that'd be fine.  Instead, you choose to make it a personal attack on my credibility.  Those who don't take a confrontational stance against us you label as bellybutton kissers.  

You think we don't care about our customers because you choose to push us into confrontation?  On the contrary, we care very much about our customers, so much that we won't just put up with anything as long as a person's paying us.  We feel that some people should not play this game as they are more of a detriment to other people having fun than they are an asset to us i.e. one customer can drive away many.  This community is like a tree, for good growth and health, pruning is necessary.  So if you want to be one of the diseased branches, don't expect us to try and woo you for your business.  We don't want it.

I see only two possible outcomes.  You either learn to voice your opinions and input in a constructive manner or you retire from the game.  I prefer the former but can only control the latter.

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HiTech Creations

[This message has been edited by Pyro (edited 07-25-2000).]

[miko2d]

 1. With the upcoming terrain editor you will be able to make any terrain you want, fantasy or historical.

 2. You want 2-sided war and complain that our 3 sided war deteriorates into 2 on 1. Doesn't that make it 2-sided exactly as you wish?
 Or do you think that making it formally 2-sided will make it more balanced? How about 3 to 1 odds in the WB 2-sided WWII arena.
 Currently, there are not enough planes to make a realistic historical 2-sided war anyway and many could not care less how many sides we have in the cuttent "fantasy" setting.

3. So far HTC seems pretty busy to me. When they stop producing updates for a few months, then I would get concerned about their direction. So far they are piling features in like crasy. I think in three versions their featureset will exeed the combined featuresets of all other games currently on the market (WB, AW, FA...). Then a few months more for a planeset to beat all others.

 Most other games 6 month after release are just coming out with a first bug fix patch. Have some patience. Go play WB WWII Arena for a while...

miko--

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Pyro:

I see only two possible outcomes.  You either learn to voice your opinions and input in a constructive manner or you retire from the game.  I prefer the former but can only control the latter.

Well said ,Pyro...

But on the matter, is true that there will be a change to Beta terrain?. I liked it   but I like more the current one  

If so, will be new fields for vehicles? and roads to cross the mountais?...god that would be AWESOME!   hunting Panzers in the canyons!!! yeah baby yeah!  

In other matters, I'd love to see the possibility to load the right map to watch the films I have from Beta times... something can be done to make that possible?

[Superfly]

Yes the beta terrain will be modified for vehicles.  There aren't any more details to really talk about concerning the terrain right now as we haven't begun work on it yet.

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[Azrael]

 

same with d 1.8 kills from buffs, arena is full of offensive b 26s lol. people dont try to intercept much so bases are alway porked almost at will.this is for the sake of playability (ohh i forgot it is a figment of my imagination and everyone elses apperently)

Hmmm....

Tour 5 results:

• towd has 274 kills and has been killed 328 times.
• towd has 17 kills and has been killed 13 times against the B-17G.
• towd has 9 kills and has been killed 11 times against the B-26B.

Tour 6 results:

• towd has 303 kills and has been killed 369 times.
• towd has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the B-17G.
• towd has 6 kills and has been killed 6 times in the B-26B.

So, for Tour 5+6 combined 32 kills of bombers (B17 and B26) have been 5.28% of your 606 total kills, and 31 deaths against bombers (B17 and B26) of your 697 total deaths have been 4.44%.

I'd say the arena is lacking bomber pilots, if I had do draw any conclusion of this whine.

Az
381st BG (H)
   

[Azrael]

And I just have to add to the question beta terrain? why

Why not?

It had clear frontlines, the canyons were fun, don't know what's so bad about it.

Az
381st BG (H)