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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2003, 12:59:39 PM »
To: Weasel

Re: McGroin Ownage

I plead only to a partial defeat, as at first glance, I did believe your list of issues was of mixed authorship.  (I did document authorship of one item prior to your “Ta-Da”)

But it turns out that the list is of mixed authorship.

“He signed a bill….”

During the first two years of the Clinton presidency, much political capital was wasted in the thankfully vain attempt to socialize medicine, and then came 1994: the congress came under control of the Republicans, who pushed thier own agenda.

The constitution instills the Congress with much more power than the Executive: The power to tax, borrow, and spend lies entirely with Congress. The power to write, debate, and pass legislation, also belongs to Congress, and the Constitution grants the executive only the power to sign or veto.  Even a veto can be overridden and the President can only acquiesce.

The Speaker of the House, following the traditions of Lyndon Johnson, has great power, deciding which bills will or will not come to the floor for a vote.  Someone named Newt had that job for a while, and legislation that made it to the floor on his watch was overwhelmingly conservative. (Johnson obviously set the same precedent in the Senate.)

With a congress sending bills to Clinton’s desk, largely written by and at least approved by the conservatives in congress, it only seems realistic to expect the majority of those bills to be leaning to the right of the political spectrum.

I have posted before that holding the President solely responsible for a growing or shrinking economy, or for the legislative agenda is ridiculous, as many need to agree in our government, and even the government as a whole is not all powerful.  

Therefore it is also my belief that to say Clinton was a great conservative due to the partial and well edited list of legislation is erroneous.

Humbly submitted:

Holden
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« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2003, 01:05:29 PM »
MT,

Cut me some slack.  I only read Weazel's original post.  Because of lack of time, I did not read any of the replies.  Did seem a bit odd, at the time, that he would be mentioning the 100 thousand police officers funded by the Clinton administration.  I assumed he was referring to the continued funding of that program.  SO, I was in a hurry.

No SHUTTUP and help me find my lower lip!

Regards, Shuckins ;)

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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2003, 02:25:58 PM »
I promise not to pile on...

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« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2003, 03:04:02 PM »
Thanks MT.  You're a great humanitarian.

The Lord allows this to happen to me every so often to keep me humble.

And BOY, am I ever humble!

Regards, Shuckins.






P.S. Weazel, you're still wrong!

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« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2003, 03:04:58 PM »
I also read Michael Moore's book Stupid White Men.

I don't believe everything I read, but of a lot of pundits, he is one of the few to describe the world in need of radical changes that will eat into our comfortable lives.

Living up to his standards is very hard, he even acknowledges that he finds it difficult, although he does have a token white man on reception.

In many ways he is fulfilling the vital role of the socratic gadfly, exposing our (and his) inherent contradictions between what we espouse and how we live.

I've yet to hear a politician do that.

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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2003, 03:14:56 PM »
Is this Bush's fault too? :)

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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2003, 03:22:15 PM »
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Probably known, but....


ccvi, don't know if those are night vision goggles but if you'd ever used any you'd know that all it takes is a pin hole in the lens cap for them to work very well, even in low light.
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« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2003, 03:23:38 PM »
ccvi, the military got Clinton doing the exact same thing, IIRC.  :D  something of a practical joke they play on the Presidents I think someone said...

The second picture is an obvious fake.  Compare the back of Bush's book to the back of the girl's book.  The spacing between the image and the edge of the book is nowhere near the same (and they should be the same as they are almost assuredly a classroom set.)
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« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2003, 03:31:41 PM »
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... inherent contradictions between what we espouse and how we live....



such as?