Why it is not possible to have a padlock.

[Toad]

Fighting the old "Ready, Fire, AIM!" impulse, I guess I'll just wait and see what they have in mind.

After all, when Ford designed and announced the F-250 Crew Cab 4x4 Shortbed, I was pretty excited. I'd been hoping someone would build a Shortbed Crew Cab for years.

Well, ya know what? Ford never called to ask my opinion on what they should build.

I bought one anyway. It's not perfect but I liked it better than my other choices. It does pretty much what I need it to do.

But Ford still hasn't asked me for any feedback. What's up with that?

I guess if someone else comes out with a BETTER product, I'll give that a look too.

Is this too far off topic?

Should I just have said "let's wait and see and then make an informed decision?"

Maybe I better go have my coffee!

[hitech]

Maniac:

Isn't realy a question of just changing our minds.

Pyro came up with one slightly different way of doing the padlock view that resolves the nusance delock of crossing canopy.

Do to the fact that we don't do continues panning where the target remains right in the center of the screen, we can keep him "locked" at all times but the view system will not change views if he is currently not visible.

This new way of doing padlock was the item that tiped the scales to worth doing.

All the other issuses still apply i.e. view system won't change to a target or track one if it is currently not on your screen.

HiTech

[Maniac]

"My opinion, playing the communities off like this shows really poor taste on your part."

Dont really see how im "playing the commuities off" I djust let my old friends know that i might be back if i dont like the new padlock system....

Djust because im an AH player revealing to the WB community that AH are gonna use padlock dont mean im an bellybutton you know, you dont think they would have noticed anyway??

_it is good to have choices_

Regards.


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[Andy Bush]

Maniac

>>...Well sure if padlock dont prove to have an advantage over the regular "snap views" i can agree with this....<<

What's the problem with advantages? If I follow your logic, then we shouldn't let people use cannon instead of MG...use the vertical...more powerful engines...different fuel weights...etc.

In RL, the Malcomb Hood gave a 'view advantage' over the straight P-51 B model...the manufacturer couldn't make them fast enough. Was that an unfair advantage?

>>...'player to target' external view'"...You all see what this is leading too?<<

No. Where is it leading to? Other than a more universally popular sim.

Andy

[Cobra]

Well Maniac, I came from FA, so your remarks did strike a chord with me.  

I think I'm doing ok in here as far as competing with you really *hot* *realistic* WB'ers.  Oh how did I ever get a kill from you guys, I'll never know.  But you WB'ers are sooo much better then us low-lifes that came from other less noble sims.

The arrogance is absolutely astounding.

There are gamers in every friggin sim out there, period.  Does FA draw some elements I didn't like, you bet, but WB has the same elements, they just pay $2.00 an hour to game the game.

Cobra
A very unworthy ex-FA opponent, who will stick to *waxing* those WB Aces rides.

<Edit>  Just remembering how fun that winging mission was you and I had back in Beta.  So much fun that you posted about on 11-26-99.  I guess my FA background wasn't too much of a handicap for us to overcome in that mission.  

[This message has been edited by Cobra (edited 07-27-2000).]

[Minotaur]

Thanks HTC!

This does not sound like the perfect implementation to me.

But....

Most things in life are certainly a compromise, I can see the wisdom in your method of implimentation. <S>

For "Padlock", the very name brings fear into many players who have mastered the view systems that are all essentially the same.  AW had it.  WB had it.  AH has it.  No big changes, learn one, learn them all.  11 years +/- and no changes.  

The idea of padlock now changes the "Crutch" they are used to and have mastered vs the "Crutch" the have not mastered and the use of they seem to fear greatly.  I never figured that one out, but I assume that you are ready for the loving comments that it will inspire.  

BTW, I am really surprized by this turn of events and I am pleasantly pleased.  I particularly like the the idea for increased SA by allowing view changes, but then not losing the view your target was last seen in.  

I have stated in the past:  

• Target fixation gets you the kill
• SA prevents you from being a kill

Thanks again!  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"You think Pyro has an attitude, you ought to wake up next to me some morning!"
Ghosth

[This message has been edited by Minotaur (edited 07-27-2000).]

[popeye]

OUCH!!!

It hurts to bite your tongue.  

popeye

[Maniac]

Cobra,

Im not gonna argue here about something i posted over there, but   do you know what an   means? guess not...

Andy,

External views etc would be dumbing down Aces High, you mention AH as an SIM, i really want it to be more of SIM and not an GAME with external views etc...

Regards.

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[Revvin]

LOL! Maniac I've seen your posts on AGW and read them here and it all smacks of the same snooty elitism that has plagued the WB community for years. I came here from 4 years or WB addiction   and whenever discussing flightsims on the newsgroups the stick that other online flightsimmers would always use to beat the WB community with was the WB communities elitism.

Your comments sound very much like the first crowd of WB'ers to leave for Aces High, using one silly point to make a theatrical "I quit" thread on AGW. If you really are that shallow as to quit AH over the padlock system then please don't let the door hit your bellybutton on the way out, I'm sure the WB community will welcome another whiner to their ranks.

What the big deal about the padlock system? I've already seen one inane post on AGW about it with typical elitist undertones about 'selecting their own views' but is selecting a view with your thumb realistic? did the WW2 Aces have a top hat switch on their stick to move their heads around? Until the advent of cheap VR helmets the padlock system is the closest we'll get to RL target aquisition. Reading Pyro's description it will not be a crutch for newbies to take advantage of, on the contrary it will probably cost them dearly when they get target fixation and a someone dives down on them and takes an easy kill. I don't know if I'll be using the padlock system or not as I already have become set in my ways and have my stick mapped to use manual panning but I'll sure as hell take a look at the padlock system as its never seemed natural to wiggle my thumb to move my head..perhaps I'm just a little strange thinking that!

[Kieren]

Why don't we try it before we decide?

Talked my daughter into potato chips on bologna sandwiches- she hated them at first, now she won't eat them any other way. Things that seem unpalatable at first sometimes turn out to be great, if you give them a chance.

Besides, just because a pilot sees me coming doesn't mean I won't kill him.  

[Cobra]

Maniac,
I did flip out there, I agree.  

I do know what   means.  I also think folks sometimes use that to seem like they are joking, but still turning the blade.    

I guess I should have used those in my original post as well  

Cobra

[Badger]

 

Originally posted by Kieren:

Talked my daughter into potato chips on bologna sandwiches- she hated them at first, now she won't eat them any other way.  

I actually picked up a habit in the army of eating peanut butter sandwiches with mustard on them.  Great stuff!!!...try it....  


Regards,
Badger

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[Torque]

You're one sick puppy Dach. <bananas> and peanut butter rock

[Kats]

Difficulty for diffculty's sake is moronic. I applaud HTC for realizing that padlocks are an excellent idea inspite of the bad name they have received[padlocks that is  ] in the past due to poor implementation.

I find it hilarious that on the "other" board members are using the fact that they don't have padlocks as a source of pride. Next they'll say they refuse to play with anything else except for keyboard and mouse HAHAHAHA  

I had this conversation with a combat pilot and here's a snippet of some usefull information:

 

"[blackhawk] I have NOT lost sight of a tally in either situation. Ever. Some  pilots did in training, but I say with confidence not 1 man in the 152nd TRS would lose a tally in the weeds, or even in the sun in ACM."

What people have to realize is that the eye is most sensitive to movement....not color. Interestingly, these pilots are trained that they can confidentally takes their eyes of a con for 2 seconds and be able to reaquire.

Anyhow, a big thumbs up to HTC for ignoring "Snobs-R-Us" and taking a serious look at the padlock issue and making up their own minds.

[This message has been edited by Kats (edited 07-27-2000).]

[Andy Bush]

Hmmm...what's AGW?