What's in it for France and Germany?

[Hangtime]

Why don't they want a regime change?

Aside from the obvious oil and arms deals the Iraqi's currently have with the French and Germans, consider this...

Regardless of the outcome, France and Germany will be by default the number 1 preferred suppliers of arms and technology to every extremist aniti-us/uk nation in the middle east.. which is pretty much ALL of them.

Futher.. any oil production and supply losses incurred by Iraq going off the pipelines will be happily suppiled by the other OPEC nations... OPEC nations that will naturally cut off sales to Pro-Western Nato powers.

Looking at this from a financial standpoint, being obstructionist amazinhunks with American anti-terror policy is good buisness.. by French and German standards.

[ra]

If you call them Frogs and Krauts you'll catch more.

[Hangtime]

oh, chit!

Yer right ra..


editing now.

[Duedel]

Hangtime ur Habu?

[Ping]

No..just Hang off his meds again.

[Duedel]

Originally posted by Ping
No..just Hang off his meds again.

I'ld like to help him but he wont buy german meds anymore

[blur]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Why don't they want a regime change?

Aside from the obvious oil and arms deals the Iraqi's currently have with the French and Germans, consider this...

Regardless of the outcome, France and Germany will be by default the number 1 preferred suppliers of arms and technology to every extremist aniti-us/uk nation in the middle east.. which is pretty much ALL of them.

Futher.. any oil production and supply losses incurred by Iraq going off the pipelines will be happily suppiled by the other OPEC nations... OPEC nations that will naturally cut off sales to Pro-Western Nato powers.

Looking at this from a financial standpoint, being obstructionist amazinhunks with American anti-terror policy is good buisness.. by French and German standards.

I’ll hazard a guess here.

Unlike this country France and Germany have been devastated by several wars in the last century. It appears they may have finally learned the painful lesson that differences shouldn’t be resolved by spilling human blood. A lesson that this country has yet to learn.

So, basically we’re not supposed to kill thousands of innocent people for economic gain. It think has to do with something about “Thou shall not kill”. I’m sure I read it somewhere.  

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by blur

So, basically we’re not supposed to kill thousands of innocent people for economic gain. It think has to do with something about “Thou shall not kill”. I’m sure I read it somewhere.  

hey, thats great Blur. Something we can ALL agree on! Well, most of us! (See Extremist Islamic terrorists purchases from a country who's common goal is identical)

[SLO]

you got your own fanatics rip-short......

Timothy was his name...and just 4 fun he blow half a building just like ina game....

start lookin in your own back yard rip-dip....

[OZkansas]

The French and Germans are afraid of what will be found in Iraq labeled "made in France" and "made in Germany"!

I think we will all be in shock by what has been sold by these so called allies to Iraq!

[bounder]

Originally posted by OZkansas
The French and Germans are afraid of what will be found in Iraq labeled "made in France" and "made in Germany"!

I think we will all be in shock by what has been sold by these so called allies to Iraq!

And made in UK, US, USSR, Syria, Jordan etc ad nasueam.

[Duedel]

Originally posted by OZkansas
The French and Germans are afraid of what will be found in Iraq labeled "made in France" and "made in Germany"!

I think we will all be in shock by what has been sold by these so called allies to Iraq!

Cant be OZkansas cause most chemical and biological weapons came from Mr. Rumsfeld.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
hey, thats great Blur. Something we can ALL agree on! Well, most of us! (See Extremist Islamic terrorists purchases from a country who's common goal is identical)

Rip,

You just don't understand blur's position. It's OK for the terrorists to kill innocent western civilians but it's not OK for the Western countries to kill civilains in the terrorist states......



As if we target civilians......

[Vulcan]

Nice theory Blur. But, France and Germanys position threatens all gains made in the disarmament of Saddam Hussein - and in doing so threaten destabilization of the region by allowing him to re-arm with WMDs.

Iraq has not responded to diplomacy in any form other than gunboat diplomacy. To get UN Inspectors back in there has practically been a gun held to his head. Whether or not there is evidence now of WMDs its clear he has been trying to acquire them.

Because of the attitude of the US, and UK, Iraq was backtracking.

However, France and Germany have sent a clear message to Saddam that the is giving him second thoughts. THat is giving him the balls to reconsider allowing full inspections and disarming.

Funnily enough, the agressive attitude of the US/UK were most likely to lead to it being resolved. As this is all Saddam responds too.

Now the pacifist attitude the French and Germans have thrown into the ring, especially with their screwing up the NATO alliance, is most likely to lead to War.

A unilateral UN resolution threatening Iraq with war was the best chance for peace. Had Iraq seen a unified UN bearing down on it, then I think there was a better chance they would have complied already.

France and Germany are forcing us a long a road to war with their childish attitudes.

[Hangtime]

Draw a dateline across the WMD deployment/sale to Iraq.

Make that date 1991.

Now, WHO has been supplying Iraq with the materials for WAR since 1991 in defiance of embargo?

France, Germany, Russia, China.

2 of those nations have access to NATO proceedure, warfighting capabilities, modes and deployment/defense stratigies.

Wake up.. this is not about Lafayette, it ain't about WW1 it ain't about WW2, it ain't about the 80's war on Iran when Iraq was viewed as an ally against a funementalist muslim state that had taken American diplomats as hostages.

This is NOW.