Convince Me!

[Virage]

Invading another country without provocation?  The US used to defend the world against this type of thing.  You have to ask?

[Monk]

Originally posted by Duedel
Very well said Sandman. The problem is that if we start a war Mr. Hussein would become a martyr - something that Mr. Bin Laden  needs to increase the hate between the islam and the western countries.

So what do we do Duedel? I'm also curious, if the US said today, "Hey we need some help against NK" how many of these Iraq nay sayers would be onboard.

[john9001]

""peace in our time""

[Ping]

Why dont you pro-attack soldiers focus on the true threats.

Pakistan which funds and supports terrorists. Has Al-quackies running in and out of its borders.

Korea which has commited armed agression and threatens Nukes (include India and Pakistan in that)Has a real horrid human rights problem.

Saudi Arabia which has a HUGE Al-quackie and other orginizations in its boundries. Has a real horrid human rights problem. Provided the most Manpower behind 9/11. Talking about having the US leave its land.

Turkey which is guilty of genocide and abuse of the Kurds. Horrid violater of Human rights.

Israel which is guilty of the worst record of violating UN resolutions and is also guilty of war crimes as well as Humans Rights. (check out the UN site for confirmation).

The list goes on and on and on. But the problem is that most on the list I gave is hampered by the minor detail of being a US ally.

[Naso]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Why are you trying to make a difference between Al Queida and Iraq just because they dont like eachother. They have a common enemy now, they are both fundamental moslem extremists who basically wants to kill us all, and Iraq is used as a safehaven for Al Queida.

There is a HUGE difference between AlQueida and Iraq.

AlQueida is a criminal-terrorist organization.

Iraq is a nation, a state, with people living in it, people not different of those aircraft passengers.

But it's better to forget it, uh?

Selective memories.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Duedel
Very well said Sandman. The problem is that if we start a war Mr. Hussein would become a martyr - something that Mr. Bin Laden  needs to increase the hate between the islam and the western countries.

you are going on the notion that the iraq people like saddam.
I say they will be happy after we boot saddam.
(in a few weeks)

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Virage
Invading another country without provocation?  The US used to defend the world against this type of thing.  You have to ask?

Another farkin idjit.
We are defending the world.
Saddam is the enemy of babies and innocent children in iraq.
Are you nerds blind or just pusses?

[Virage]

Originally posted by X2Lee

We are defending the world.

The World doesn't seem to agree.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Naso
There is a HUGE difference between AlQueida and Iraq.

AlQueida is a criminal-terrorist organization.

Iraq is a nation, a state, with people living in it, people not different of those aircraft passengers.

But it's better to forget it, uh?

Selective memories.

Wtf does this have to do with anything? Nazi Germany was a nation, a state, with people living in it, people not different from those aircraft passengers. That doesnt mean that it was wrong to fight ww2 against them now does it, Hippie?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Virage
The World doesn't seem to agree.

Hey retard, if you want to argue like that, why dont you take the population in the word, subtract the number of anti war demonstrators. Apparently the silent majority agrees with Bush...

[hawk220]

Why should anyone convince you? It's not as if you wield any power. Face it, your opinion (or mine, or anyone elses opinion on this board) counts for jack toejam in the Real World™.


this is exactly why things don't change..this sort of attitude.

[Curval]

The FACT of the matter is that Sadaam has not complied with UN resolutions since the Gulf War.  He continues to ammas or attempt to ammass an arsenal that includes WMD.

This isn't about Sadaam being a threat RIGHT NOW...it is about him being a threat in the future.  We need to remove that threat NOW before he accomplishes his goals.  It will be too late when he sends a biological warhead into Israel killing millions, who in turn will respond with their nukes.

So..the UN either has to say "Enough is enough...we will use force if you don't disarm", or the UN is simply a toothless tiger.  Sadaam has made fools of the UN for 12 years...and he is making fools of you anti-war people who are playing into his hands.

Get rid of him NOW...he is not only a direct threat to the US and its citizens at home AND abroad, but he is a direct threat to Israel and anyone else he dislikes, such as the Kurds, the Iranians etc etc.  We all know that the mid-east is a violence ridden nightmare of a threat to World Peace.  It is time that problem is looked at and and resolved.

Frankly, this anti-war sentiment is PRECISELY what stopped the US in 1991 from doing the job.  The US could have toppled the Iraqi government with ease back then, they had the men, equipment, and the enemy backed into a corner....and to top it off they were RIGHT THERE!

Deal with it now, or else we are going to have to deal with it over and over again in the future.  By my reckoning...every 12 years or so.

[capt. apathy]

Documented Iraqi Use of Chemical Weapons, Number is fatalities only.

Aug 1983 Hajj Umran Mustard fewer than 100 Iranians/Kurds
Oct-Nov 1983 Panjwin Mustard 3,000 Iranian/Kurds
Feb-Mar 1984 Majnoon Island Mustard 2,500 Iranians
Mar 1984 al-Basrah Tabun 50 to 100 Iranians
Mar 1985 Hawizah Marsh Mustard/Tabun 3,000 Iranians
Feb 1986 al-Faw Mustard/Tabun 8,000 to 10,000 Iranians
Dec 1986 Umm ar Rasas Mustard thousands Iranians
Apr 1987 al-Basrah Mustard/Tabun 5,000 Iranians
Oct 1987 Sumar/Mehran Mustard/nerve agents 3,000 Iranians
Mar 1988 Halabjah Mustard/nerve agents hundreds Iranians/Kurds


Iraqi-Acknowledged Open-Air Testing of Biological Weapons

Location-Date Agent Munition
Al Muhammadiyat – Mar 1988 Bacillus subtilis[5] 250-gauge bomb (cap. 65 liters)
Al Muhammadiyat – Mar 1988 Botulinum toxin 250-gauge bomb (cap. 65 liters)
Al Muhammadiyat – Nov 1989 Bacillus subtilis 122mm rocket (cap. 8 liters)
Al Muhammadiyat – Nov 1989 Botulinum toxin 122mm rocket (cap. 8 liters)
Al Muhammadiyat – Nov 1989 Aflatoxin 122mm rocket (cap. 8 liters)
Khan Bani Saad – Aug 1988 Bacillus subtilis aerosol generator – Mi-2 helicopter with modified agricultural spray equipment
Al Muhammadiyat – Dec 1989 Bacillus subtilis R-400 bomb (cap. 85 liters)
Al Muhammadiyat – Nov 1989 Botulinum toxin R-400 bomb (cap. 85 liters)
Al Muhammadiyat – Nov 1989 Aflatoxin R-400 bomb (cap. 85 liters)
Jurf al-Sakr Firing Range – Sep 1989 Ricin 155mm artillery shell (cap. 3 liters)
Abu Obeydi Airfield – Dec 1990 Water Modified Mirage F1 drop-tank (cap. 2,200 liters)
Abu Obeydi Airfield – Dec 1990 Water/potassium permanganate Modified Mirage F1 drop-tank (cap. 2,200 liters)
Abu Obeydi Airfield – Jan 1991 Water/glycerine Modified Mirage F1 drop-tank (cap. 2,200 liters)
Abu Obeydi Airfield – Jan 1991 Bacillus subtilis/Glycerine Modified Mirage F1 drop-tank (cap. 2,200 liters)


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so tell my where's the NYC 9/11 entry.

he's our enemy, mostly because we say he's our enemy.

[deSelys]

Karnak is spot on IMO.

Hortlund I seriously believe you aren't what you're claiming (a judge). Because:

1 your only occupation seems to be posting on this board all day long
2 you're racist to the bone

Besides, I'm not anti-war at all. Give me real proofs of the AQ-Saddam ties, or bring the troops to NK, and I'll sing another song...

[deSelys]

Originally posted by Curval
...This isn't about Sadaam being a threat RIGHT NOW...it is about him being a threat in the future....

Then why don't you let more time to the inspectors. Frankly, will a couple of months make such a difference?