Thoughts on why Christianity is fake

[Sandman]

Originally posted by hblair


Hey nice jpeg there sandman, you really got us religious idiots good with that one. That'll learn us. Now get back to your usual posting of porn of some unfortuante misled 18 yr. old girl.

I'm pretty sure I've never posted porn... 18 year old or otherwise...

Glad the pic got a reaction tho...

[kbman]

Grunherz is shocked that some people spew hatred at undeserving targets for no good reason other than to serve their own misguided agendas or to assuage their insecurities.

My irony meter just exploded...

Kill the intolerant!!  - favorite oxymoron

kbman

[GRUNHERZ]

Why not kb? These little toejams go around preaching tolerance this end bigotry that yet they have absolutely no tolerance or respect when it comes to their own culture.

[kbman]

Grun,
         My reason for that post is because I am hard pressed to think of anyone who has spewed more needless hatred and vitriol on this board than you, except for Hortland, and he's a professed christian...go figure.

kbman

[GRUNHERZ]

I know why you wrote it kb.

[Siaf__csf]

The things hblair and funkedup said above shows that they know nothing of past history of church.

Absolutely nothing. They were not talking about your tv-priests at work now.. Nor the local parish around the corner.

They were talking about the Inquisition and the great Crusades, and the oppression of the American pagans (the natives) that were forced to accept the church or die.

That stuff makes Saddam pale in comparison, and it was ALL done by our church, in the name of God.

In fact, there's a photocopy of our religions first steps going around. It's called Islamist fundamentalism and related terrorism.

They're on a crusade, and the 911 was one step on the way.

You got to love religion.

Edit: The more I learn about fundamentalist religion, the more I begin to think that fundamentalist religion equals to stupidity. Really.

[Rude]

Originally posted by davidpt40
Heres why I think Christianity is fake:

(1) An all-powerful, all-knowing God creates Heaven and Hell.  Hell is supposed to be only for Lucifer and the angels that followed him, but somehow, out of Gods control, EVERY SINGLE HUMAN is destined for hell.

(2) Since the two original humans, created in Gods own image, were tricked into eating a piece of fruit from a tree by Lucifer, man is kicked out of paradise and is forced to work and subsequently die.  Every single human is punished for the faults of Adam and Eve.

Lets just pretend the entire old testament is an allegory.  Now for the New Testament-

(3)  God sends his only son to earth so that people don't have to burn in a fiery pit for eternity.  Yet what does his son do?  He goes around in a very limited area, performing obscure miracles at his leisure.  For some reason Jesus won't perform miracles for disbelievers, even if it means they will spend ETERNITY in a fiery pit.

(4) Jesus is crucified and DIES.  Then he supposedly comes back to life, but what does he do?  He reveals himself to only 3 or 4 people!  What a selfish guy.  Here he has a chance to give the entire world some evidence to believe in God and he won't even do it.

So in summary, Christianity is this-  A God that won't give any evidence of his existance, yet if you don't believe in him 100% you go to a fiery pit called hell where demons torture you.

There is a book out now called "excavating jesus".  In the book, it tells how 'virgin births' were common in Jewish history and how it took 40-100 years after the death of Jesus for people to write about him (and subsequently make his story fit the prophesies).  In actuality, the body of Jesus was most likely eaten by dogs.

I think people believe in Christianity for a few reasons- (1) They are afraid to question the bible (2) They don't want to believe that they wont go to a paradise when they die (3)  They are afraid of going to hell (4) they have no common sense/are uneducated.

Funny thing about choices....you often don't see the fruit of choices made until it's too late.

[hblair]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
The things hblair and funkedup said above shows that they know nothing of past history of church.

Absolutely nothing. They were not talking about your tv-priests at work now.. Nor the local parish around the corner.

They were talking about the Inquisition and the great Crusades, and the oppression of the American pagans (the natives) that were forced to accept the church or die.

Wrongo slick. Looks to me like dolf vader is talking about his own personal experiences. How could he be talking about the history of the church in the following paragraph?

having lived in a heavily christian area my whole life. the main proof that there isnt a god is that the god they speak of would never allow them to exist as is. churches have been the source of more evil than pretty much anything else i have seen. ever notice how its always the religious ones screamin for blood?

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
That stuff makes Saddam pale in comparison, and it was ALL done by our church, in the name of God.

Maybe your church, but not christs church. Christs church is the one in the Bible in case you're wondering.

Hey if I decide I want to be a special forces guy and put on a similar looking uniforn and train in a similar way, then I decide to go rob and murder 20 women and children, would you hold the "real" green berets responsible for my actions? why not? I looked and acted kinda like one, that makes me the real thing using your twisted logic.

Do you have a clue what the bible says about the "church" ? Do you know the references to being the bride of christ? Christ being the head of the church. Christians are to be christ-like as much as humanly possible. Did christ rape and plunder? Did christ conquer people? You tell me. The problem with people like you is you are VERY ignorant with the teachings of the bible concerning the church, therefore when you say the crusades, etc. were carried out in the name of God, you have no clue that they were simply misled ignorant men, not unlike yourself, carrying out what they thought was the work of the church.

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
In fact, there's a photocopy of our religions first steps going around. It's called Islamist fundamentalism and related terrorism.

ahh, so instead of being persecuted the apostles were out chariot bombing the romans?

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
You got to love religion.

religion no, christianity yes.

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
The more I learn about fundamentalist religion, the more I begin to think that fundamentalist religion equals to stupidity. Really.

Sounds like you need to actually see what the bible says about the subject firsthand instead of making ignorant assumptions.

[Daff]

Say, who created God?

Daff

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Daff
Say, who created God?

Daff

Kinda hard to imagine anything outside our realm of space and time isn't it? Of course a beginning or creation is only relevant when you're within the confines of time.

[Siaf__csf]

Hblair, do some studying on the crusades and the spanish inquisition. Then tell me christianity has clean hands.

I'm not talking about the church you have now, I'm talking about the history of religion as mankind sees it, and it's not pretty.

"churches have been the source of more evil than pretty much anything else i have seen. ever notice how its always the religious ones screamin for blood?"

I understood this as a clear reference to the past and comparison to the present. The UBB inquisition shall we say..

"Maybe your church, but not christs church. Christs church is the one in the Bible in case you're wondering"

In case you're wondering we most probably belong to the same church, and our church is guilty of crimes against humanity. AQ and the likes are merely repeating the mistakes of our church's past (done before we or our fathers were born) only this time they have more advanced technology to use.

The end result is the same whether you burn on a bonfire or get petrol-bombed. The idea behind the terror is exactly same.

" Christians are to be christ-like as much as humanly possible." Again if you'd have studied anything else than the Bible (which is not really a source of any information.. ) you'd know that christian church in the past has been as little christ-like as anything humanly can be. Torturing, oppressing and executing people based on pure superstitions.

"ahh, so instead of being persecuted the apostles were out chariot bombing the romans? "

Did I mention apostles anywhere? It wasn't the apostles that crushed people's limbs in exotic torturing devices in order to make people confess they were witches.

"Sounds like you need to actually see what the bible says about the subject firsthand instead of making ignorant assumptions."

I know what the bible says, but the church hasn't and never will live up to the true word. This is the bottom of the problem - just as Islam is supposed to be the most peaceful religion known to man.

Only recently the catholic church showed its corrupt and rotten inside when the century-long silent approval of molestation and sodomy of young kids was finally brought to public.

It's all about interpretations.

[hblair]

You're trying to equate what corrupt man has done in the last 2000 years to the one church in the bible. That's where you're way off base.

You want to pin the salem witch trials on the church? Ok, where in the bible are we told members of the church should "burn witches"? Not in there? Well, where did that come from then?

About as stupid as me blaming all the deaths in hiroshima "on science". Science did it! heh. Those crazy scientists did it! They hold us back!


Siaf__csf, when and where did the church begin anyway ?

[cajun]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I agree that you cannot sway religious types with logic. and I dont think I was trying to do that.

However I did ask a very simple moral question as to why an all powerful all loving god needs to have this punishement of eternal suffering if one does not heap praise upon him. To me thats clearly a petty and vein human trait - not very big or grand or wise...


And I think thats definitely a fair question to any religius type.

That is a pretty good question..
And I have given much thought to it.

Men are created Equally, Men are created Evil.
Maybe we should consider;
Is HE the one punishing? or is HE the one saving?

[cajun]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf

" Christians are to be christ-like as much as humanly possible." Again if you'd have studied anything else than the Bible (which is not really a source of any information.. ) you'd know that christian church in the past has been as little christ-like as anything humanly can be. Torturing, oppressing and executing people based on pure superstitions.

Sorry I did not have time to read your entire post, but I've been reading for at least 45 mins and have other things to do today besides read AH BB lol.

But this I can answer:
The Church IS wrong. Most Churchs ARE wrong. Why?
Heres why:
Churchs want power, everyone wants power, and most teach things that the bible totally disagrees with, mainly that (in the case of Catholicism) that you Must go to church and that only the high preists can properly interpret the Bible.  Why? to keep people blinded.  If you realise You can read the bible, if you realise You don't Have to go to their church to be saved (as the bible clearly states) then You don't need them, and they could easily be out of a job and out of Power.   So allong with a bunch of other stuff the CHURCHS were born and changed "christianity" to more of a religion that we think of, when its really less of a religion How We Think Of It and more of a beleif IMO.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by hblair
You're trying to equate what corrupt man has done in the last 2000 years to the one church in the bible. That's where you're way off base.

You want to pin the salem witch trials on the church? Ok, where in the bible are we told members of the church should "burn witches"? Not in there? Well, where did that come from then?

About as stupid as me blaming all the deaths in hiroshima "on science". Science did it! heh. Those crazy scientists did it! They hold us back!


Siaf__csf, when and where did the church begin anyway ?

There is a reference in the bible concerning witches.
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)
However, there is much debate regarding the translation and intent of this verse.