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Offline PvtPyls

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« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2003, 08:05:16 PM »
Voss, you should try using a toilet brush to get the sand out of your vagina. and maybe a decongestant to clear your nose so you will realize that your watermelon does in fact stink.

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« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2003, 08:07:51 PM »
First of all Called Skuzzy. reported bug. second when it continue into afternoon today I called skuzzy, And was told it will fix at next reset. I said to Him You should reset its getting out of hand, And when He came in 90% agree reset fix it now.  



This wasn't a whine as it was to show those who think abusing a bug is ok. And read post more think its wrong than the few of you think its okay.



Bgbmaw Meatwad is talking about my bombers, so I guess your posting without reading Text.

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« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2003, 08:50:09 PM »
LOL I bet those phone calls were the high point of Skuzzys day..

Got a solution here but I know it's way over the top, but I'll put it forth because my pant cuffs have already got stained in what I'm wading through..

When you choose a "sortie", choose one where you fly like a bird with little things in front of the contraption that go puta'puta'puta' when you pull that red button that you use your index finger for..

When your flying this "plane" try to kill the red "plane" coming in on your 12..

Wussies..
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It's ALL about the fight..

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« Reply #63 on: February 20, 2003, 10:15:13 PM »
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viking73: All you whiners about this problem be sure to cancel your second accounts tomorrow that you use for spying on other countries.

Since im not whining about it i will not cancle out my spy account, the test for you is to find out who he is:D...


Bgb...salute...your posts are sooo true, and very humorous...and yall a big whoppin' <> to you. Some of you are the most pathetic, sad people ive ever seen;okok read. Anyways the summary on this thread should be"Some people use mannable glitches for perkies,HTC will fix problem but not yet,some people are glad, some people whine, and some people think it should get fixed or theyll start whinnin' "...Get my point, I say all this because i was the Ex-Co of The Smart tulips Of America(*Hells Angels* 303rd Bomb Group) and frankly, i dont give a damn, because thats who i am and that what i stand for...and assassin your one of the few,the proud, and the brave(if you know what i mean)...


P.S.-no use talking back to me,...unless i find it use arguing for i will not reply,cause my ego and self-conciousness is so high, thats how i want you to think of me...:D

so SHAD AP will ya'... naaah :p
« Last Edit: February 20, 2003, 10:32:50 PM by empire2 »
I diddlyING LOVE ACES HIGH

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« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2003, 10:37:09 PM »
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Elfie...and Ill hear your response.."Typical MAW"..ya ya...Im defntly going to cheat now..(hope i know how)..so i can keel ya..and hear u./.SQQUEEEEEEEEEE..(no offense to the SOG)


Have fun trying. Btw, he's not in the SOG squadron, he's in the Armageddon squadron who wings with my squadron the 441 Silver Fox.

I wasn't there, but I'm surprised to hear that a player with your character felt the need to exploit a bug BGB and then defend your actions. I do think you're a great asset to the community, but can't agree with posts of the sort that you made.

Cya in the skies.

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« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2003, 02:22:56 AM »
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Originally posted by Widewing
Taking advantage of a bug is going to happen. It sure as hell isn't cheating either. It may not be very sportsman like, but it's a far cry from cheating.

My regards,

Widewing


No matter what spin you put on it, exploiting and abusing a known bug to gain an advantage is cheating, it is not an apples and oranges kind of thing.  You try to put a different spin on it because even by your own admission you're also guilty of abusing this bug.

I know this isn't Air Warrior but had those that exploited this bug last night had done it in that game they would have been immediately ejected from the game for 24 hours and then after a TOS review either a ban for 30 days or maybe even a perma-ban for cheating using a bug exploit.


Ack-Ack

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« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2003, 03:38:14 AM »
BGB!   Where in No Cal you located?  My stepson lives up there (we in Central Cal) and his complaints about work sound eerily familiar. (Lobster problems, etc.) :D  Just curious.

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« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2003, 09:08:09 AM »
Air Warrior isn't the only game that would ban you for abusing known bugs, Everquest will perma-ban you for repeated offenses.

Those who jumped into a gun and thot the graphics were screwed or who realized that something was wrong and then left the gun did nothing wrong. It's those who KNEW the guns were bugged and stayed in them that did wrong. This bug effctively put players in shot out guns in *God Mode*. Players that sat in shot out guns for hours SHOULD be banned. It disrupted normal gameplay in some cases, especially at ports and vbases where the manned ack is still in range of goons/M-3's/troops.

Whoever said that this was a very minor bug is totally wrong, any bug that puts a player in God Mode is a major problem since it obviously gives that player an unfair advantage over everyone else in the arena.

There is a difference between a whine and a legitimate complaint, this bug was a legitimate complaint.

40DogMAW, I used to respect you, you are a decent stick, but when I PM'd you about one of your squad members abusing the gun bug and you said something to the effect of STFU beach on channel 1 I lost all respect for you. I thought you had more integrity than that.. I was not disrespectful or discourteous in my PM's to you, yet you immediately disrespected me in front of everyone logged into the MA.

Cheating doesn't mean you have to rewrite game code. If that was the case then *speed hacks* aren't cheating because you didn't change any game code right? Speed Hacks give a player an unfair advantage over others and is therfore considered cheating.
Abusing a known bug that effectively puts you into God Mode is also cheating since it again gives you an unfair advantage over other players.


Elfie
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Corkyjr on country jumping:
In the end you should be thankful for those players like us who switch to try and help keep things even because our willingness to do so, helps a more selfish, I want it my way player, get to fly his latewar uber ride.

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« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2003, 09:23:42 AM »
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No matter what spin you put on it, exploiting and abusing a known bug to gain an advantage is cheating, it is not an apples and oranges kind of thing.  You try to put a different spin on it because even by your own admission you're also guilty of abusing this bug.

I know this isn't Air Warrior but had those that exploited this bug last night had done it in that game they would have been immediately ejected from the game for 24 hours and then after a TOS review either a ban for 30 days or maybe even a perma-ban for cheating using a bug exploit.


Ack-Ack


My, my akak, your squeaking about this is becoming increasingly shrill. Moreover, the repeated use of the term “abuse” is nothing more than demagoguery. We had Knits and Bish and Rooks firing from “dead” (and invisible) ships, blasting the victorious fleet. So, the same method was used to counter it. There were dozens, maybe hundreds of people who had no idea that a bug was responsible for the situation and assumed that their gun was only damaged, not destroyed. Surely, some guys knew they were exploiting the bug, and clearly they were “gaming the game” so to speak. Yet, I submit that this is no less unsportsman like than camping a vehicle spawn with a Tiger.

There is absolutely nothing in the Terms of Service addressing “bugs”. Furthermore, where would you draw the line between an honest misunderstanding and deliberate exploitation? Besides, who elected you as chairman of the ethics committee anyway?

“Off with their heads, for they hath offended my sensibilities!”

It is an undeniable fact that bugs WILL be exploited, either by intent or by accident. Invariably, some will decide that if you can’t beat them, join them, and who can blame them for that? Either that, or avoid situations where the bug can effect you. Like the guys who repeatedly respawn at camped locations, I have no sympathy for guys who were popped over and over again by “dead acks”. I lost a P-47 to “dead ack”, but thereafter avoided flying low over an enemy field. In all likelihood, the guys who suffered most where probably vulching anyway, another sportsman like activity!

Please take a few steps back and perhaps you’ll see how ridiculous this tirade and name calling sounds to most of us.

My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

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« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2003, 09:28:19 AM »
Frankly, Elfie this is a question of scruples.

I don't man guns much and knew nothing of this bug until I read about it a few days ago.

But I equate this situation to a person walking around a store, and finding a $20.00 bill on the floor. Now, we all know the right thing to do is to turn it into the manager, and walk away. But how many would do that?

I can honestly say I would pocket the cash. That's my honest answer. On the other hand, rank and score mean nothing to me if I have to play a bug to do it. The fact is, you did not earn those kills, so it has no value. It's like cheating at solitaire. Your only fooling yourself.

I do not judge others for what they may or may not have done. I do not consider this a bannable offense as no one hacked the game to give themselves an unfair advantage. I would guess the bulk of those in the guns did not even know they were exploiting a bug.

I'm sure HT is working on this if he did not fix it already.

So my point is, this is not a question of hacking. It's a quesiton of scruples. I really don't see how someone can be banned for this.

Even the most honest of players, like Flossy, was manning a gun. Did she know it was bugged. She says she did not. Should we ban her anyway? If not, they no one can be banned, because everyone can say, "Hey, I did not know."

In my opinion, we really need to let this one go, let HT fix it, and move on, before we create even more animosity.

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« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2003, 09:44:26 AM »
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Frankly, Elfie this is a question of scruples.
It's a quesiton of scruples. I really don't see how someone can be banned for this.
Even the most honest of players, like Flossy, was manning a gun. Did she know it was bugged. She says she did not. Should we ban her anyway?
In my opinion, we really need to let this one go, let HT fix it, and move on, before we create even more animosity.


agreed, banning is a little extreme in this case, but...  flossy was unaware, and i bet once she knew she'd not take advantage of that.  i don't think certain other someones can say the same.  they *were* aware/made aware, and yet....

that scruples thing, i guess.


i was manning a cruiser's guns, it got sunk... i /.efluffied  even tho' the base we were hitting was almost point blank range.

beleive it or not, that's what *I* did, and i didn't man *any* field guns at all.

scruples, i guess.

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« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2003, 09:49:20 AM »
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Originally posted by cobia38
Last nite i jumped in ack at 69 to ward off incomeing nit lemmings
 and noticed the gunsite missing !!!! WTF i thought to myself.
 So i landed and jumped back into it,same thing again ,no site.
 I then pulled trigger and it fired,ok cool must be gunsite glich.
 so i fired a few rounds and positioned my mouse curser as a
 gunsite and it worked great :D  I got 26 kills and ran out of ammo,landed them went back and got 10 more.my adventure ended when base was finally overwhelmed:( After this i got some flak from a nite or to on how i was cheating,and a few congrats
 buy some that did the same thing(they too were nits )
   Look at it this way field gun kills dont count for any score or rank so nothing was gained xcept lotsa nit plane and gv parts laying around v69:D


AA gun kills  go to GV rank and will raise it.

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« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2003, 09:51:05 AM »
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Originally posted by Shane

i /.efluffied


Not sure what this means.

I just don't understand why anyone would man the guns. I don't even think it helps your rank, so we can rule out the contestants for the monthly prize.

I look at my score as a personal report card. I go back over the tours prior and see if I'm improving. I read which planes I'm doing well in, and concentrate learning why I do poorly against certain A/C. Sure it would be great to be #1 in everything. But that's just gravy. I play the game for enjoyment, and as a challenge to test myself. Running this bug is like taking a helicopter to the Summit of a mountain. Sure, you made it to the top, but how did you get there?

But this is me. Different strokes, I suppose.

I would be surprised if HT has not fixed this already.

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« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2003, 09:53:05 AM »
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AA gun kills  go to GV rank and will raise it.


Geez, God knows I could use the GV rank improvement, after Whels had his way with me a few times last week.

I must have called you every word in the book....(Not transmitted, of course!)

You really did a number on me, Whels.


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« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2003, 09:56:16 AM »
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My, my akak, your squeaking about this is becoming increasingly shrill. Moreover, the repeated use of the term “abuse” is nothing more than demagoguery. We had Knits and Bish and Rooks firing from “dead” (and invisible) ships, blasting the victorious fleet. So, the same method was used to counter it. There were dozens, maybe hundreds of people who had no idea that a bug was responsible for the situation and assumed that their gun was only damaged, not destroyed. Surely, some guys knew they were exploiting the bug, and clearly they were “gaming the game” so to speak. Yet, I submit that this is no less unsportsman like than camping a vehicle spawn with a Tiger.

There is absolutely nothing in the Terms of Service addressing “bugs”. Furthermore, where would you draw the line between an honest misunderstanding and deliberate exploitation? Besides, who elected you as chairman of the ethics committee anyway?

“Off with their heads, for they hath offended my sensibilities!”

It is an undeniable fact that bugs WILL be exploited, either by intent or by accident. Invariably, some will decide that if you can’t beat them, join them, and who can blame them for that? Either that, or avoid situations where the bug can effect you. Like the guys who repeatedly respawn at camped locations, I have no sympathy for guys who were popped over and over again by “dead acks”. I lost a P-47 to “dead ack”, but thereafter avoided flying low over an enemy field. In all likelihood, the guys who suffered most where probably vulching anyway, another sportsman like activity!

Please take a few steps back and perhaps you’ll see how ridiculous this tirade and name calling sounds to most of us.

My regards,

Widewing



widewing,

do u vulch in a fighter?   thats no different the camping a spawn point in a tank.

whels