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Offline akak

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« Reply #105 on: February 25, 2003, 01:11:58 PM »
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The saying is "From the land of sky blue waters"....

I grew up on Hamms and Oly with a bit of Coors Banquet tossed in at times.

Did ya salt the top?



As a kid I loved watching those commercials for HAmms with the bear and Doug Mclure.

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« Reply #106 on: February 25, 2003, 02:33:29 PM »
anytime i see the Saying.."from the LAnd of Sky Blue Waters"...

I always say it like the Commercial..Deep voice..with a bit of a ramble draw when you say Waaateerss..lololo....Kind of like a Indian Chant

Good toejam

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« Reply #107 on: February 25, 2003, 04:21:29 PM »
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LOL!  Your nothing but a Lemming since you pretty much use the arguement that since everyone else was abusing this bug to gain an advantage, you might as well to.  Who cares if cheating ruins the fun for most of the players.  Like I said in my post before, you spin it the way you want because again by your own admissions in previous posts, you were one of the 'Lemmings'.  So if you have to cheat in a game, that's pretty much your problem I guess and rather sad in my opinion.

And as for trying to compare this to 'spawn camping', sheesh, talk about trying to pull gold out of your ass.  While spawn camping might be a little on the gamey side of things, it is in no way comparable to someone abusing a known bug to gain an advantage (i.e. cheating) and pretty much just shows that you really don't have a leg to stand on.

Anyway, the bug has been fixed but as maxtor pointed out on his post, the map can be reset easier than some reputations.  I used to consider you one of the better peoples in the game but now I consider you no better than anyone else that cheats.

Ack-Ack


You fail to understand my point. I’ll try again.

Back in 1978 I was working as a part-time race engineer (I was a minor player in the organization) for a Formula B team fielding March 78B cars powered by Cosworth BDA engines. The team owner and driver was competing for the National title. We looked at many different ways to circumvent the rules, without actually violating them. After all, we had to pass pre-race tech inspection and those guys miss nothing.

We found that the rule governing rear wings allowed creative thinking plenty of latitude. Therefore, we fabricated one of the first bi-plane wings used in this level of motorsports. This allowed us to nearly double downforce without infringing on maximum size of the individual airfoil, or restrictions on height. We also used endplates that were separated by less than .100 inches, effectively channeling air rearward. Combined with fixed Lexan side skirts and a hand laid up fiberglass diffuser, our cars generated up to 40% more downforce than the competition. Yet, the car met the letter of the rules, if not the spirit. Naturally we had to go to much higher rate springs but lucked out with damper settings.

We went to Roebling Roads raceway outside Savannah, where the car qualified on the pole and set a course record for the class. The howls of the competition were deafening. Tech people were badgered without relief. Nonetheless, the car was LEGAL. Come race day, our driver lapped all but two of the entire field, but with just 4 laps remaining the BDA dropped a valve, ending our day.

Three weeks later the sanctioning body issued amended rules, essentially legislating our cars out of existence. We had to return to a single airfoil, eliminate the side skirts and shorten the diffuser.
We lost 95% of our advantage. We obeyed the rules, and looked at the engine, where we found some HP by changing cam timing and overlap. Eventually, we made it to the championship race, and finished 5th.

We always passed tech inspection, and we even suffered through several engine teardowns to satisfy the inspectors. Those were expensive for the protesting team, as they had to foot he bill if nothing was found to be in violation. Nothing was.

Guys who took advantage of the bug did not violate any rules. Sure, it was unsportsman of them to varying degrees. Yes, it was an unfortunate situation. However, it was not “cheating”.

Furthermore, look up the meaning of "cheat", as it requires the existance of fraud and deception. Everyone understood what was happening... All you had to do was avoid the situation and you were unaffected.

Finally, show me where I admitted to have “abused the bug to gain an advantage”.

My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

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« Reply #108 on: February 25, 2003, 04:23:45 PM »
Why are beer commercials always the best ones? I remember those *From the Land of Sky Blue Waters* commercials also :D

The Budwieser frogs and later the lizards had me in tears more than once :p


Is this thread being hijacked? :)

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« Reply #109 on: February 25, 2003, 04:47:38 PM »
I like widewing

1) cause he states clearly

2) cause hes a fellow race enthusiasts

Salaute

Have a good Day


Love BiGB
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Ill be popping wheelies in your neighborhood soon

Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #110 on: February 25, 2003, 05:31:17 PM »
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

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« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2003, 08:14:47 PM »
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40DogMAW, I used to respect you, you are a decent stick, but when I PM'd you about one of your squad members abusing the gun bug and you said something to the effect of STFU beach on channel 1 I lost all respect for you. I thought you had more integrity than that.. I was not disrespectful or discourteous in my PM's to you, yet you immediately disrespected me in front of everyone logged into the MA.

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Elfie

Nine times out of ten if I told you to STFU and called you a beach you had to of really pushed my buttons.  I usually only reply like that if someone refers to me in kind.  It's my guess that I went off on you like that due to your calling me a cheat or something simular or maybe it was your statements refering negatively to my not chastising a member of my squad for abusing the bug.  Either one of those reasons would probably induce a response from me like the one you say you recieved.  Elfie, unlike you, I see this totally as a game.  Sh*t happens.  As long as everyone has an equal share of it, WTF!  LIke Widewing said in an earlier post there was some really great fun to be had with the bug.  I didn't WHINE when it happened and I don't think you should have either.  In your infinite wisdom though you chose to single me out and my squad for abusing the bug all while your country men were doing the same thing.  Why weren't you saying anything to them?  Why didn't you post something on the web mentioning the name of guys in your country that were so called abusing the bug?  It's my guess because they would have told you the same thing I did.  For the record I would like to apologize for saying the things I said that offended you.  I'd also like you to understand that I and others don't see this game the same as you do.  I do not run my squad like a drill sargeant.  Most of my members are 30 years and above and get enough of that boss sh*t at work.  We come here to relax and have fun.  If all of a sudden we have an invisible ship then holy sh*t.  Look out.  Man the guns.  It's all about fun for the MAW.  Do you starch your underwear?:D


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Offline blutic

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« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2003, 08:57:40 PM »
everyone knows I don't play for score!
How come nobody told me of this!!!!!!!
This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron.—Dwight Eisenhower, April 16, 1953

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« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2003, 11:12:21 PM »
DAMN MY KIDS ARE LOOKING AT ME LIKE IM CRAZY IM LAUGHING SO HARD Any ways i cant but help respond its all gotta be set straight.  

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GPreddy-BGB I fail to see the humor in that two-bit gutter induced crap pile you call a response....Any three-faced devil chewing on the bitterest slime in the universe would regurgitate his last meal at the thought of taking a bite out of your disgusting hide. MAW? Maw disgust me. The whole lot of you. You let this social buffoon respond like this and dont ask him to edit any of it out?...What you morons dont seem to fathom is I dont give a crap what you idiots do.


Damn 40...kick ass...
So im back in black and i want to say something once again. Gpretty,...Oh i guess that GPreddy huh,...anyways ill attack you first mm,k. First of all, you probably dont find the humor in it because they arent laughing with you anymore, they are laughing at you. but i guess you havent noticed that yet, so ill lay it all out for ya. You need somebody to come over there and give you a swift Kick in the ASS, and when you choose to dis one of the squad members of the MAW your damn well right every other one will be on your back. Then you go for the MAW!!!YOUR DIGGING YOUR DAMN GRAVE!As 40 calmly and completly stated all us MAW are mostly above 30, i myself being 41 enjoy flying a plane and shooting down others,it gives me joy to have clean hands after working with toejam and Sewage all day after day. Us maw,...we dont fly to live, we fly to play...and allthough you dont you better cool your jets or im possitive you will loose almost everyones respect, if not already. And ill be damned if im gonna have some punk face kid screw up my day with his goody goody roadkill.:o  And on to the next topic of your super nova explosion, the one about not making him edit out what he says, its the squeakes life he doesnt need another mother to craddle him and make him suck your hind tit so shut the hell up,wuit blamin this crap on others, and just get a whoopee life. I never read your first statement and i never will,BGB kids around and i thought you were an allright guy to let that slide off your shoulders but once again i was wrong. You make me sick, and i want nothing to do with you.:p PEACE OUT
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« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2003, 11:53:06 PM »
"Come race day, our driver lapped all but two of the entire field, but with just 4 laps remaining the BDA dropped a valve, ending our day."


I'd imagine more than 1 of your competitors were thinking of the phrase "Poetic Justice";).

Carry on the flame war here, fellows, just wanted to chime in here with a little humor, since there's very little of it evident in this thread.

By the way, my opinion (not that it matters, and it doesn't) is, if you know it's a bug but you're taking advantage of it anyway, shame on you and no excuses. Your parents should've (and probably did) teach you better. Using a cheat because others are is a poor excuse, and personally I'd rather lose a game than resort to it just because others are. At least I'd know my integrity remained intact. I wouldn't presume to toss flames or insults over it, not knowing what any of these guys are like in reality, but they're probably more fair minded when not in the secure anonymity of the internet. No flames or insults intended, just my personal opinion here.

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« Reply #115 on: February 26, 2003, 04:49:29 AM »
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Is this thread being hijacked? :)

Yep, remember the Budman commercials?

Then there were the Colt45 commercials..."Ask you haid".  :)

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« Reply #116 on: February 26, 2003, 07:36:37 AM »
All over a game...I hope im not the only one that thinks this is stupid...

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« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2003, 09:07:44 AM »
I was one of those speaking out against the alleged bug abuse, even sent film to HTC thinking that it was cheating. HTC's response was nada so I guess I was wrong.

p.s. My sincere apologies to those I wrongly accused of cheating.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2003, 09:39:44 AM by Kaz »

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« Reply #118 on: February 26, 2003, 09:35:16 AM »
*lifts head from desk*

Is this thread STILL ALIVE?

Awww hell, I just booted it to the top did'nt i?

*Continues to bang head on desk*

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« Reply #119 on: February 26, 2003, 11:05:30 AM »
this is my last reply to this thread, and only to answer questions 40DogMAW put forth.

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Nine times out of ten if I told you to STFU and called you a beach you had to of really pushed my buttons.


PMing you asking you if you would ask AmReo to leave a dead gun pushed to many buttons? When you said STFU BEECH on ch 1 I PM'd once more asking if you approved of his behavior (I see now that you do and in fact would copy his behavior), that's when you said 'I don't approve or disapprove' and I said nothing more to you about it. I never called you a cheat in game nor did I call AmReo one in game.



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Elfie, unlike you, I see this totally as a game


So do I, we just have differing ideas of *fair play* and acceptable behavior.

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As long as everyone has an equal share of it,


2 wrongs dont make a right, never did and never will.  Let's use V64 on Mindanao as an example. There is only one mannable field gun there and it obviously belongs to whoever owns the base. Once that gun is shot out how does the opposing team at v64 have *an equal share*? The answer is they don't. In fact the only option the opposing team has is to give up on that particular base.


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I didn't WHINE when it happened and I don't think you should have either.


As I posted earlier, there is a difference between a whine and a legitimate complaint. ANY bug that puts a player in GOD MODE is a legitimate complaint, not a whine.

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In your infinite wisdom though you chose to single me out and my squad for abusing the bug all while your country men were doing the same thing. Why weren't you saying anything to them? Why didn't you post something on the web mentioning the name of guys in your country that were so called abusing the bug?


If you go back to the beginning of the thread others did name Rooks who were abusing the bug. I did not feel the need to rename those who had already been named. I named MAW's and one particular MAW once as an example. I did say something to those on my team while in game also. Responses varied from as asinine as yours to very polite responses.

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For the record I would like to apologize for saying the things I said that offended you.


Apology accepted :)

Actually...would like to respond to Widewing's last post also.

First of all, very ingenious work on that race car :D

Second of all, I submit that what you guys did with that race car is essentially no different than what we do in Aces High. We grab altitude, use flaps, chop throttles, use manual trim....all to gain an advantage over our opponents, the tools are different, but the concept is the same. You found ways to gain an advantage within the framework of the current rules. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Third....you call abusing the manned ack bug *unsportsmanlike*. In sports players get penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct while on the playing field.  'nuff said.

MuckMAW, I have read your replies and I am greatly pleased by your attitude towards abusing a known bug. If you ever feel like you want fly for a Fighter squad, let me know. We'll save a spot for ya :)

I'm done with this thread, in fact I'm not even gonna read any more replies to it :)

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In the end you should be thankful for those players like us who switch to try and help keep things even because our willingness to do so, helps a more selfish, I want it my way player, get to fly his latewar uber ride.