Author Topic: Good Antiwar Argument (Read 2308 times)

Hangtime · « **Reply #75 on:** February 28, 2003, 12:22:45 PM »

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So, looks like it's time for another history lesson for the human race. Face it, Planet Earth is Short Attention Span Theater. The only thing that holds their attention, if only for a decade or two, is huge amounts of bloodshed. Not dribbles and drabs of blood, veritable oceans of the stuff.

I hope they get me in the first fireball. I don't think the world could stand the volume of my "I TOLD YOU SO!!".

Toad · « **Reply #76 on:** February 28, 2003, 12:26:33 PM »

Cheer up. There's plenty of Algerians that have a hard on for Paris.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #77 on:** February 28, 2003, 01:46:50 PM »

TOAD... You are wrong...

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Toad says..You seen any proof that they have done so?

Yes I have seen Pictures of Palestinains holding Checks from the National Iraqi Bank....

This has been documeted many times..no need for me to go farther...if you havent really seen this..go to http://www.stratfor.com

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Toad says..I am not aware of any attacks that DIRECTLY targeted Americans in Israel.

Directly?? Do suicide bomers targte any1 directly other then Genralized citezens?? I would say no.

Yes the Jihad..as they say kills Israels and there dog brothers Americans..we give the Helicopters and jets that kill Palestinians..so of cousre they hate us...

Remember not to long ago a Suicide bomr goes into college Lunch room?? Ya..great tactics,..they should be hunted down..

but i understand there tactics..they cant beat the military so..they go after the "unarmed"

Im not going to try to persuade you to say that there is a link from saddam to terrorism...

Educate and decide yourself..cuase I feel its almost usless to try to educate soem people...

Wheres the smoking gun?? arghh nevermind..you "win"...

As far as getting the world to join us..Why? it would be nice but we dont need them....We have done more for the world then the rest of the countries....Do you beleive that? I do

have we made mistakes ..yes....

we have made sacrifices...Yes not as large as the Russians in ww2..hell or the japanese or Germans..(human deathtoll) we rebuilt Germany & japan..

I have not seen any thing here to say we shouldnt put a cap in saddams ass.....

I hope we do it and our soldiers dont get bio-chem attaked...

Salute
BiGB
xoxo

P.S. Toad i probably wont chek this post anymore..Im a bit burnt out on this stuff.. But Salute! see you in the air..

medicboy · « **Reply #78 on:** February 28, 2003, 02:25:06 PM »

Funkedup, you need to add to the cost the cost of increased security measures due to increased terrorist threat. And the loss of life and property in the event of an attack
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So you think that the terrorist that are already in place are going to wait for us to invade Iraq? And what, if we don't they are going to get back on the boat and go home? You need to stop drinking decaf or better yet stop smoking dope. These attacks are going to happen no matter what we do, where we go or who we kill. There is only one way to stop it, kill them before they kill us. I wish I could live in your world, it seems like a nice place, I hope you stay safe in there. You fall into the same group that was just dumbfounded by 9-11. Don't get me wrong I hate the MF'ers for what they did, but suprised... no. I have seen the real world, it's not a nice place and no one there really gives a damn about what the UN thinks.

Suave · « **Reply #79 on:** February 28, 2003, 02:46:31 PM »

He has attacked the US directly, and he will continue his efforts to do so untill he is gone. We need to get that over with so we can get our occupation forces out of there that have been there for 12 years pissing off the Arabs and costing us money .

The only other choice we have is to keep the gun to his head while weapons inspections go on untill the day he dies.

Toad · « **Reply #80 on:** February 28, 2003, 05:25:37 PM »

Don't misunderstand. I have no problem with the US taking out Saddam WITH AUTHORIZATION FROM THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL.

I DO have a problem with doing it premptively because we just decided to do so based on convincing ourselves.

Unfortunately for those that just want to go ahead without UN approval, that would CLEARLY put us in violation of Just War Theory (acting with UN approval is actually stretching it). We become the same type of nation that would invade its neighbor for no reason. Like Iraq took Kuwait.

Down the road, this unilateral action on our part will seriously harm our ability gather allies when we truly need them. In short, it's not worth the price we're going to pay, politically or economically.

Look, the "fighting season" over there is really over. Give the French and Russians credit; they delayed it long enough for the window of opportunity to pass.

Time for Powell to sit down with Blix and work out a list of arms/weapons that we want accounted for or destroyed in a sequential order with a "no later than" date for each item. Latest date would be 2 months before the next "fighting season" starts.

Let's leave the troops or bring 'em home, whichever is cheaper but have them back in place by a month prior to the next "fighting season".

If the stuff on the new list isn't resolved by two months prior, then we tell the SC to authorize force or we go anyway.

How bout that? (I figure we're going no matter what I'd say, but I think the above would look a hell of a lot better in the eyes of the rest of the world.)

2stony · « **Reply #81 on:** February 28, 2003, 05:28:09 PM »

Good points Toad!

john9001 · « **Reply #82 on:** February 28, 2003, 06:40:39 PM »

just war theory
so we do not get confused Gulf War One never ended , a cease fire was agreed on , conditions of the cease fire have not been followed by iraq, so this will not be gulf war #2 , this is still gulf war #1, iraq is still the agressor and the USA is still under the UN orders to enforce the UN mandate to disarm iraq.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #83 on:** February 28, 2003, 07:42:30 PM »

Toad..we have been doing this since 91...WHy give them more time...

When can u say..ok thi sis it??

Im pissed they are asking for another resoltuion,,why??

Whats wrong with the first 1?? too ambiguos??

and unilateral? so out of 40 nations we are getting hamstrung by 3 or 4 who have political /financial connections with Iraq?

We have enuff support.

I wish we could of said..diddly you France,,,we want to sell gas and wepons to Germany so we dont give a diddly about your country...

Same thing they are doing now to us...

Sure seems like it

When people in France and Germany say Bush is like Hitler..They should beaten-tortured raped..then maybe killed...Hell lets do what they say we are...Show them what can really be made to look like" Hitler" It pisses me off ..to hear any such close remark about USA

BiGB
xoxo

Toad · « **Reply #84 on:** February 28, 2003, 08:43:59 PM »

We're past fighting season in Iraq.

The Turks are holding us up like Jesse James, making us pay bigtime for their helping save the world. It's good old extortion.

World opinion is overwhelmingly against this move at this time.

What's another six months when this "pass" is fubared? Just abort the pass and set up for another one...... and do that one right.

I think it's time to step back and face facts. This attempt is totally screwed. Time to pull back, reset and deal with it when we're all set for the next "fighting season".

You can also then assume the Turks aren't going to let you have a Northern Front unless they totally pick your pocket and plan around them. Go for a stronger Southern Front with an Air Mobile smaller Northern Front when the time comes.

I still don't want to see us go without UN approval, but if we're going without it, we might as well do THAT right.

Gyro/T69 · « **Reply #85 on:** February 28, 2003, 08:59:17 PM »

read this Toad.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030228-22388785.htm

If true, waiting might be a bad idea.

Toad · « **Reply #86 on:** February 28, 2003, 10:58:05 PM »

What did I miss there?

If they're ready to surrender NOW, think how ready they'll be in six months. Because things are only going to get worse for them.

Gyro/T69 · « **Reply #87 on:** February 28, 2003, 11:23:27 PM »

"Because things are only going to get worse for them"

The longer wait may start to calm their nerves, buck'em up. Not to mention time to repair their equipment. If that's even possible. That is if any of this stuff is true to begin with. Course my crystal balls just as fuzzy as everyones.

Toad · « **Reply #88 on:** March 01, 2003, 12:14:46 AM »

Open your eyes.

You don't want to be fighting in Iraq in April.

Turkey has pretty much precluded a Northern Front until nearly then with their foot dragging.

This is a botched pass. It's switchology. They didn't get everything ready before they rolled in.

Properly done, the deal with Turkey would have been signed long ago. They'd have lined up the SC vote long ago. This is last minute duct tape and baling wire stuff. It's stupid.

That's all aside from the fact that we're going in as an aggressor, which isn't going to be a good thing in the long run.

Just cut your losses and set up to do it again correctly next fighting season.

That's all fer me.

Hangtime · « **Reply #89 on:** March 01, 2003, 12:21:17 AM »

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Time to pull back, reset and deal with it when we're all set for the next "fighting season".

damn.. i'd think we'd wanna do it when they can't.. thought we were the guys that had all-weather ass-kickin departments.