Good Antiwar Argument

[beet1e]

Originally posted by john9001
just war theory
so we do not get confused Gulf War One never ended , a cease fire was agreed on , conditions of the cease fire have not been followed by iraq, so this will not be gulf war #2 , this is still gulf war #1, iraq is still the agressor and the USA is still under the UN orders to enforce the UN mandate to disarm iraq.

John said it better than I did. We don't need a new authority. We have an existing UN mandate.

I read Gyro's link, and can well believe the low morale in the Iraqi army. This war could be over in a matter of days. All this UN prevarication is just wasting time and playing into Saddam's hands. Whose side are they on?

Let's face it. The US is going into Iraq, whatever the UN says. We knew that last August. It really does not serve anyone's interests for the UN to delay things any further, least of all the interests of the UN itself. After all this is done, I see the UN continuing in a much reduced capacity - kind of like what happened to the British Monarchy. The more the UN resists this war, the more irrelevant it will become after the war.

Time to get on with it. No more last chances. No six-month wait which will give Saddam time to hide/sell/otherwise dispose of his illicit weaponry, time in which he can forge an alliance with AQ.

But Mr. Toad is right about one thing at least. We don't want to be fighting in the Gulf in April. It will be too hot in the daytime.

Baghdad Weather Forecast

[Toad]

Well, it's clearly decided now. There's going to be a war and shortly.

U.S. insists Saddam Hussein must go into exile
By DIEGO IBARGUEN and MARTIN MERZER
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - The White House said Friday that Iraq could prevent war only by both disarming and sending President Saddam Hussein into exile.

I take this to mean that the administration has decided/realized that the destruction of the missiles (4 done so far) is going to hure their case in the SC, so they just added a condition that they KNOW Hussein will not accept.

There you go, folks. You've got your war.

I'll say again, this is porked. Oh, the military will do its part and probably quite well. The politicos, however, have stomped on their dicks wearing golf shoes throughout this affair.

Can you believe the diplomatic arm didn't have Turkey on board LONG before now? Kripes, if you know you're going to have a Northern Front, wouldn't you get that taken care of early on?

I'll shut up with this:

Long term, the way they did this is going to hurt the US significantly as we go forward in the "war against terrorism". We have now given true justification to those that call the US an "aggressor nation".

What a botched play this was. I'm pretty disgusted.

[BGBMAW]

TOAd..you are wrong when u you say the "World opinion is overwhelmingly against this move at this time. "...


Thats what teh Anit -Bush/Anti America News and peopl say..pretty easy to see...Lord Knows Iraq wnats him out..they just get slaughtered when they try..

WHat you base this from..Anti war demonstrations?

They said they had 250, 000..in the March at San Francisco...WRONG!!!!!

Aerial survey said maybe 100,000K..So with this..the "millions" who were marching is WRONG
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Go Go Go Special Forces!!!!!!!!


Love
BiGB

P.S. Toad I thing you are insulting all of us when you say.."There you go, folks. You've got your war. "..So you are saying we want to just kill people?

I dont want people dying..but when its go\ing to save alot more of us in the end....Do it...Hes a crazy bastard who will sell/give his WMD's away...

[Toad]

Originally posted by BGBMAW
TOAd..you are wrong when u you say the "World opinion is overwhelmingly against this move at this time. "...


BiGB

P.S. Toad I thing you are insulting all of us when you say

1. Really, then why don't you do a short comparison for me? Make a list of all the nations that sent their troops to help in Gulf War I and then make a list of all those sending troops to Gulf War II.

After that, make a list of all those nations that promised (and did) to help pay for Gulf War I. Then make a list of those that have promised to help pay for Gulf War II.

Then there's that Security Council thing. It's not just France and Russia you know.


If you take that as an insult, it's in how you read it, not how I wrote it. It's just a statement of fact. There's going to be a war. Because we just keep raising the bar.