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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2003, 09:14:54 AM »
dowding... that seems a fitting way to remember stalin.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2003, 09:15:09 AM »
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Lincolns birthday is not celebrated anymore in the U.S. the only human in the entire U.S. or world history who we feel is worthy of a holiday is.... martin luther king.


Now Now that comment sounded a bit Racist!

You know better than to point out facts that show Racism is alive and well in the NON-white USA.

Oh BTW! What month was chosen for the White History Month?
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2003, 09:21:05 AM »
Yea Trotsky was nothing like stalin - he was a kind man, the sort of man that would have made communism work and be all flowery and nice...

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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2003, 09:22:21 AM »
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Lincolns birthday is not celebrated anymore in the U.S.  the only human in the entire U.S. or world history who we feel is worthy of a holiday is.... martin luther king.



President's Day is in February because both Lincoln and Washington were born in that month. We used to have both days (12th and 22nd) off school back in the 60's. The days were consolidated to coinside with a weekend so we could have bigger better furniture sales.

MLK deserves recognition, and he happened to be born in a month that had no other holidays.
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2003, 01:14:51 PM »
Syphalis (sp?) 1, Stalin 0.

Sounds like a good end score to me.
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2003, 01:40:59 PM »
Hehe :)

Concerning "freedom of speech":

I am f@#king tired of the hypocricy. When the TV channel gets a new administration because it can't pay it's $250M debts - every dog starts barking about "freedom of speech" just because it's owned by a guy who has good "press record". And when Ministry of Press closes a radical newspaper for some vague violation made two years ago - noone gives a flying f#$k. "Limonka" is a good example. Now the "New Izvestia" is closed for publishing materials against Putin's administration...

The amazinhunk who made statements I quoted above is a well-known "perestroika's ideological father" Alexander Yakovlev... I wonder if they inspired the perestroyka's stream of dirt by directly commanding the press from the Central Commetee...

Now, about Stalin and Stalinism.

There is no doubt that Stalin was the greatest Russian (I mean Russian Empire/USSR/Russian Federation, he was ethnic Georgian) politician in last 250 years. He invented probably the most effective social-economical system possible in Russian conditinons. For me stalinism is a system where any leader has enormous power, but enormous responsibility. To quote the song we all know - "Do or die". And it was the matter of survival for the whole nation, or nations that united into Soviet people.

I hope you all understand that I am not satisfied by the state of affairs in modern Russia. It's the softest way to express what I really feel. What we got here since Gorbachev's times is absolutely no responsibility for any thief in chief.

The most popular novell of the last year was Oleg Divov's "Vybrakovka" ("Quality Control", Miko, can you find a better translation?)... http://lib.ru/RUFANT/DIWOW/wybrakowka.txt
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2003, 01:51:38 PM »
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He invented probably the most effective social-economical system possible in Russian conditinons.

This is preposterous.  You assume that any other system would be worse than Stalinism.  That is laughable.   You believe the Russian people need a steel boot up their bellybutton in order to prosper?

Hey, his system works great in North Korea, too.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2003, 02:14:14 PM »
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This is preposterous.  You assume that any other system would be worse than Stalinism.  That is laughable.   You believe the Russian people need a steel boot up their bellybutton in order to prosper?

Hey, his system works great in North Korea, too.

ra


"Effective" doesn't mean "nice" or "user friendly". Stalin had a clear and obvious purpose to prepare the country to the WAR that was a question of survival. In 1927 he had nothing. No educated people, no industry, no resources. He managed to get it all in 10-15 years. It was an enormous effort... The cost was horrible, but it was the only way to survive...

The reconstruction after the WAR was another example. The whole country was in ruins, but we had a Bomb only 4 years after the Victory, and reached for space only 12 years after Victory.

That's what I call "effective" economics. You have a problem - and you solve it.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2003, 02:24:01 PM »
hmm... mt... so.... ol mlk deserves recognition eh?  fair enough.. he had some admirable ideas but.... on a scale of `1-10 for greatest men in history or even U.S. history... I don't think he would even place.   There are several months now that have a definate dearth of holidays..   there are eleven that don't have humans birthdays celebrated.   someone is getting very "special" treatment...   wouldn't you say?  
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2003, 02:50:23 PM »
MLK was one of the greatest men of the 20th century. If he were British, I would have no problem with having a holiday in his honour. Colour has nothing to do with it.

Under great provocation he espoused non-violent protest. I'd say he is a great example to black people or down-trodden people everywhere.
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2003, 02:58:51 PM »
dowding... that isn't what I asked.  

 I got no problem with having someones birthday being a holiday.... I like holidays.   Who do you pick tho?   and.... If you are only going to have one then.... maybe he ought to be pretty darn special.
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2003, 03:13:54 PM »
My point about President's Day was that it was a celebration of Lincoln and Washington's birthdays. So it can be argued that MLK is not the only American so honored.

BTW... can you name 10 Americans who deserve the honor more than MLK?
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2003, 03:21:38 PM »
Can't believe you guys are picking on that great humanitarian, Stalin.

Do you have any idea how many people were brought to a state of Eternal Peace by this guy?
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2003, 03:23:38 PM »
1.  Henry Ford
2.  Wright Brothers
4.  Dwight Eisenhower
5.  Muhammad Ali
6.  Stanley Kubrick
7.  Jim Beam
8.  Mario Andretti
9.  Jimi Hendrix
10.  Al Davis
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2003, 03:24:42 PM »
At least 12 million.

He was a great guy, and his moustache was finely crafted.
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