Author Topic: Fifty years (Read 2256 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 10, 2003, 08:42:36 AM »

mt... if your criteria is "affecting lives" then I can name ten presidents and inventors who are more important than mlk.... by your logic u would be happy to have "self appointed black leader day" replace mlk day?
lazs

Puke · « **Reply #46 on:** March 10, 2003, 07:07:19 PM »

Did I just read that Boroda would prefer to be back under Stalinism?

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In 1927 he had nothing. No educated people, no industry, no resources. He managed to get it all in 10-15 years. It was an enormous effort... The cost was horrible, but it was the only way to survive...

My stinky butt! He had nothing 'cause he killed everyone off!

BTW, I thought the accepted number was 20-million dead by Stalin, which is the same amount that was lost during the war.

midnight Target · « **Reply #47 on:** March 10, 2003, 08:43:00 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
mt... if your criteria is "affecting lives" then I can name ten presidents and inventors who are more important than mlk.... by your logic u would be happy to have "self appointed black leader day" replace mlk day?
lazs

So... name em.

And, Martin Luther King Jr. was hardly "self appointed".

Puke · « **Reply #48 on:** March 10, 2003, 08:59:57 PM »

Susan B Anthony?

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 11, 2003, 08:45:08 AM »

well... there is Jefferson and Washington and Lincoln and Teddy and FDR and Truman and of course Regan if you count ending the evil empire and don't forget the fact that he isn't dead yet... Lot's more if you just think about it... heck I would even take that criminal JFK over mlk. Heck... why not an inventor or two.... maybe ol einstein? sheesh.... mlk? it's embarassing.

as for mlk... it must have been a secret black vote that made him a leader. He sure seemed self appointed to me. Still... I liked the guys ideas. I think he was right in most cases. Don't think he would agree with the way things have gone tho with affirmative action and all.
lazs

Boroda · « **Reply #50 on:** March 11, 2003, 12:45:26 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What the diddly is wrong with you, have you no shame?

Very nice to hear such things from an amazinhunk that said geoncide in Srpska Krajna was only a "nessesary measure".

GH, my family suffered enough in the 30s. Now I look around and see that 90% of government administration deserves to be hanged on the street lamps, together with 99.9% of our beloved Militia. All I want is some responsibility for them. Maybe not even cutting trees for life, but at least the prohibition to get government jobs again.

Boroda · « **Reply #51 on:** March 11, 2003, 01:02:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Habu
Some credible scholars believe that Stalin was in the process of planning a nuclear war with the West when he died. He had also ordered the construction of massive prison camps at that time. For this reason it was believed that he was also about to start another massive purge.

It is now believed that he was poisoned by his own inner circle with warfarin a rat poison that causes hemorrhaging.

They did this to prevent the war with the West.

"Popular history" AKA "propaganda warfare" in action. That article in Washington Post is nothing more then a hallucination.

Stalin was pragmatic. He never ever thought about starting a full-scale war with the West. USSR was busy enough trying to "disgest" the so-called "people's democratic" countries. There are _really_ reliable accounts that Stalin was against the war with "allies" in 1945 when Soviet army could easily sweep them into the Atlantic...

About "construction of massive prison camps" and "another massive purge": another thing we suddenly learned 15 years after every commie amazinhunk started to pour crap on Stalin. When Jewish "dissidents" all at once suddenly start to remember how they were preparing to go to Siberia in 1953 - I call it another roadkill. "State antisemitism" in Stalin's era is very much overestimated.

Hey, where is Toad with his "reliable sources" about endless millions of Jews repressed by Evil Stalin? I bet he got something as impressive as "Soviet Intervention to Poland in 1920" from his last list of "documents"!

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Originally posted by Habu

It is a blessing for the USSR that he died when he did.

Maybe. Or maybe not. The gang of amazinhunks who came to power in Summer, 1953 was probably the worst thing in our country that happened since 1917.

Toad · « **Reply #52 on:** March 11, 2003, 01:09:07 PM »

Oh, I think you're doing a fine job of destroying any credibility you may have left all by yourself in this thread.

I must admit though, it hasn't been quite as entertaining as some of your other Fractured Fairytales of Soviet History.

Boroda · « **Reply #53 on:** March 11, 2003, 01:16:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Ossie
That's great. Now that we've cleared up the semantics, what exactly happened to roughly half of his "commanders" in the late `30's?

It's difficult to compare Red Army in late-20s and late-30s. The army based on cavalry, with a sabre, three-line rifle with a bayonet and 3" field cannon as main weapons compared to a modern army with several thousands of tanks and modern airplanes, jet artillery and radars.

Purges in the army did happen. But you have to look at the people who were repressed, and at those who survived or were returned to service. For me it's very personal... I hate to say this, but Grandfather was lucky to get into that bloodbath in 1932, to be released 1.5 years later and become a commander of an Army horse farm.

OTOH: another Grandfather married a daughter of an "enemy of the people" in 1940, that didn't prevent him from working with the deadliest and most secret weapons invented by human kind one year later...

Thigs were not simply "black and white". It's difficult to talk to Westerers about life in USSR, it was too different being the same in some fields. For you it's a complete nonsence, but for me it's just life.

Boroda · « **Reply #54 on:** March 11, 2003, 01:28:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Oh, I think you're doing a fine job of destroying any credibility you may have left all by yourself in this thread.

I must admit though, it hasn't been quite as entertaining as some of your other Fractured Fairytales of Soviet History.

Toad, can you please educate me about "Soviet intervention to Poland in 1920"?

Just tell me what happened in your own words, without quotations.

I kindly advise you to read the things i answer to you and more to say, try to read some things you post yourself.

I understand that it's hard to argue with a "commie bastard" who had an opportumity to read both Eastern and Western versions of history when you are a brainwashed "free-world" propaganda repeater.

About the things I posted in a message you probably replied to. Someone very clever said in about 1987: "I don't believe in instant collective illuminations". "Illumination" is probably a wrong word, I mean when someone suddenly undertands something that was hidden from him for long tilme. In Russian is sounds like "Ya ne veryu v mgnovenniye kollektivniye prozreniya" (ß íå âåðþ â ìãíîâåííûå êîëëåêòèâíûå ïðîçðåíèÿ).

straffo · « **Reply #55 on:** March 11, 2003, 01:49:32 PM »

As far as I know (but I could be wrong) "Soviet intervention to Poland in 1920" is more "Polish intervention to USSR in 1920"

And that's the 1st time the Soviet were in contact with de Gaulle

Boroda · « **Reply #56 on:** March 11, 2003, 02:13:07 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
As far as I know (but I could be wrong) "Soviet intervention to Poland in 1920" is more "Polish intervention to USSR in 1920"

And that's the 1st time the Soviet were in contact with de Gaulle

I'd better call it "Polish intervention to Belorussia and Ukraine in 1919". Straffo, you spoiled the whole game with mr. Radio for me

I didn't know about de Gaulle, where can I read something about it?

straffo · « **Reply #57 on:** March 11, 2003, 02:43:09 PM »

Look here : http://www.charles-de-gaulle.org/en/books_art/fiches_t/cdg_vistule.htm

Tuomio · « **Reply #58 on:** March 11, 2003, 02:54:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Ossie
That's great. Now that we've cleared up the semantics, what exactly happened to roughly half of his "commanders" in the late `30's?

Half? I read the book Stalingrad, direct quote:

"Altogether, 36,671 officers were executed, imprisoned or dismissed, and out of the 706 officers of the rank of brigade commander and above, only 303 remained untouched. Cases against arrested officers were usually grotesque inventions".

Seriously i recommend everyone to read this book, as its packed with astonishing details about the commanders personal feelings, soldiers and especially Stalins unmatched paranoia. (hundreds of quotes from love letters and personal diaries) Hes NO DOUBT the most cruel and insane leader of 1900 century. He slaved his patriotic (still to this day) and humble people with insane cruelty. He is directly responsible of 10-20 million deaths of his own people, who blindly served him like god. Lots of historically important archives have "top secret" stamp on them, prolly to the bitter end, as theres currently ex-KGB agent leading the nation.

Boroda is simply Stalinist and he will propably refuse everything that is not written by Stalin himself. I remember statistics, that 50% of the russians think that Stalin made more good to its country than bad. If only the dead ones could speak.

mjolnir · « **Reply #59 on:** March 12, 2003, 02:52:14 AM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
1. Henry Ford
2. Wright Brothers
4. Dwight Eisenhower
5. Muhammad Ali
6. Stanley Kubrick
7. Jim Beam
8. Mario Andretti
9. Jimi Hendrix
10. Al Davis

All I really want to know is, what happened to number 3?