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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2001, 05:15:00 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2001, 05:47:00 AM »
Pyro,

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« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2001, 07:34:00 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2001, 03:35:00 AM »
Methinks, and this just my humble opinion, that the Nik retains way to much E in high g maneuvers, especially with a craft that appears to have more inherant drag then an FW190.

Hajo

PS: and NO it's not because I fly the 190, I'm just considering the differences in size of the aircraft, the Nik is almost if not as large as a P47, lots of drag there.  The 190 is a small aircraft.  The differences in inherant drag should be obivious.
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2001, 09:59:00 AM »
N1K1
Weights: 6387 pounds empty, 8598 pounds loaded, 9526 pounds maximum loaded.
Dimensions:
wingspan 39 feet 4 7/16 inches
 length 29 feet 1 25/32 inches
 height 13 feet 3 27/32 inches
 wing area 252.95 square feet.
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FW-190A8
Weights: 7652 pounds empty, 9625 pounds loaded, 10724 pounds maximum loaded.
Dimensions:
wingspan 34 feet 5 1/2 inches
 length 29 feet 4 1/4 inches
 height 12 feet 11 1/2 inches
 wing area 196.98 square feet.

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P-47D-25
Weights: 10198 pounds empty, 13582 pounds loaded, 17326 pounds maximum loaded.
Dimensions:
wingspan 40 feet 9 5/16 inches
 length 34 feet 10 inches
 wing area 300 square feet.

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Hajo:  Except for the larger wings the N1K1 is about the same size as a FW, only lighter.  The N1Ks bleed energy just like everything else but since they are very light and have 2000hp they accelerate like a demon and recover lost speed very rapidly.  And your statements probably came about simply because you are a 190 fan.

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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2001, 10:06:00 AM »
 
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Finally, I suggest some of you guys get a room and lay off of hijacking threads into your own personal flame wars.  It is getting old and this camel's back is getting strained.  Nuff said.


Couldnt agree more. 'luftwhiners' etc is getting so old it should be buried by now.

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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2001, 10:19:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Hooligan:
N1K1
Weights: 6387 pounds empty, 8598 pounds loaded, 9526 pounds maximum loaded.
Dimensions:
wingspan 39 feet 4 7/16 inches
 length 29 feet 1 25/32 inches
 height 13 feet 3 27/32 inches
 wing area 252.95 square feet.
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FW-190A8
Weights: 7652 pounds empty, 9625 pounds loaded, 10724 pounds maximum loaded.
Dimensions:
wingspan 34 feet 5 1/2 inches
 length 29 feet 4 1/4 inches
 height 12 feet 11 1/2 inches
 wing area 196.98 square feet.

And just an added note - the N1K2-J was a substantial re-design from the N1K1 - it even went from a mid-wing to a low-wing form - and was even lighter, by some 500 pounds, which is a pretty significant change in power to weight ratio.

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2001, 11:30:00 AM »
 
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PS: and NO it's not because I fly the 190, I'm just considering the differences in size of the aircraft, the Nik is almost if not as large as a P47, lots of drag there.  The 190 is a small aircraft.  The differences in inherant drag should be obivious.


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the N1K, you ever seen one? it is DWARFED byt the P-47, and I mean it looks SMALL. It's even smaller than a zeke. Go to the Pensacola NASmuseum for a hands on look at a N1K2. There along with many naval AC such as F6F's, F4u-s, etc...


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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2001, 11:33:00 AM »
Just noticed thats a ME-410 being shot down bya jugg.  

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2001, 11:43:00 AM »
rgr AG, that is also the exact AC that HTC modeled for 1.07. Gabby's D-11 in Feb '44 colors.
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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2001, 01:03:00 PM »
Ammo, just re-read Zemke's book and they painted the cowlings red on the 6th of February  

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2001, 03:46:00 PM »
 
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Ammo, just re-read Zemke's book and they painted the cowlings red on the 6th of February  

Daff

Daff, its not that I dont entirely believe you, and I certainly dont have zemke's book handy. But I recall that being an 8th AF decision to alow them to designate the different squads, 61. 62, and 63rd, with the colored cowlings in march. All the way through the sweinfurt raids I recall Zemke saying they were standard white with the white vert stab mark too. Now..if ya could quote the text for me since I dont have the book. Sancho loaned it to me and I have since returned it.

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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2001, 05:59:00 PM »
Actually the N1K2 is slighty larger then A6M5, about 2 feet bigger in the span. The Fuselage is much larger in diameter, length is about the same.

The A6M5 and the N1K2 share very simular aerodynamic components, the N1K1-Ja used a almost identical tail section, and the N1K2 retained the horizontal tail spars and stabilizers, however the the vertical stabilizer was lengthend so a larger rudder could be installed to help control engine torque. The Airfoils in use on both the N1K2 and the A6M5 are also very simular, they use ailerons of the same approximate dimensions and placement, the only key difference between the two are in the wing root and the chord. The N1K2 has a thicker chord and the wing root is much thicker to accomodate the combat flaps.

That is not to say they should fly realtively the same by any means though, as simple variations through planes of the same basic airframe (109's, 190's, etc) all handle differently of course.

 However I still quesiton it's handling in regards to the combat flaps...I am still not sure to what aspect they are modeled in AH...if they are solely based on the pilot-operated flaps they seem to be doing far to little (difference between deployed and clean states is relatively small, considering the automatic system on the N1K1, N1K1-J and N1K2 was said to greatly increase manuverability)in regards as to how the actual system worked, respectively.

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2001, 06:10:00 PM »
 
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and the N1K2 retained the horizontal tail spars and stabilizers, however the the vertical stabilizer was lengthend so a larger rudder could be installed to help control engine torque.

Torque?...wich torque?

 

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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2001, 11:10:00 PM »
The stabilizer fixed it. The entire tail from the N1K1-Ja was basically the same as the A6M2, and the rudder is very small (which is no big deal because the Zero doesn't develope a monsterous amount of torque). Couple that with an engine that developed nearly 1000 more HP and the N1K1-Ja, among some of the other problems, became a real monster.

The new stabilzier was quite a bit taller, and the rudder ran from the top to the bottom of the fuselage( the rudder on the N1K1-Ja stopped just above the elevators) and provided the necessary control.

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