Author Topic: Why I am agianst a US invasion of Iraq, why I think we're doing it and my hopes  (Read 1885 times)

Offline AKS\/\/ulfe

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Originally posted by blitz
Vietnam war is still vivid and it was the only war USA lost so far.
Little thirth world country against a Superpower.


Using this logic, I could say the only reason Germany is opposed to any US-British action in Iraq is because we kicked the toejam out of them in two world wars.


In my eyes 9/11 fits very in this line as it was the second time you lost  to a non adequate enemy.

We haven't lost anything yet, the war the gutless attacks on the world trade towers started is far from over. They've accomplished only one goal, to piss us off and ensure that they and their ilk will be wiped from the face of the earth without any remorse.
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Blitz, you understand America about as well as a buffalo understands scuba diving.

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Using this logic, I could say the only reason Germany is opposed to any US-British action in Iraq is because we kicked the toejam out of them in two world wars.



Looks like this is what  some on this board thinking anyways.

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In my eyes 9/11 fits very in this line as it was the second time you lost  to a non adequate enemy.[/B]


It's just my opinion.



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We haven't lost anything yet, the war the gutless attacks on the world trade towers started is far from over. They've accomplished only one goal, to piss us off and ensure that they and their ilk will be wiped from the face of the earth without any remorse.
-SW [/B]



You lost 3000 innocent people and a symbol of America.


Regards Blitz




America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous
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Originally posted by ra
Blitz, you understand America about as well as a buffalo understands scuba diving.



That's not false: OL' Europe has a hard time understanding their old big buddy from overseas nowadays.


Regards Blitz



America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous

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Maybe not, but you WILL be disappointed when the prize of gasoline in the US quadruples


     If any of you read my post about two weeks ago about hydrogen power, this quote above would be a thing of the past.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79894&highlight=hydrogen


The time is now for hydrogen power. The use of hydrogen power would negate a lot of terrorists and people like Saddam's money base. Without oil, what would they use for income. The U.S. is on the verge of an energy revolution that would change the world's politics and pollution concerns. Hydrogen produces water vapor, not carbon dioxide.
     How does this relate to this thread? If you can't figure it out, then you need to dig a little deeper. Let's get "unstuck" from this oil quagmire. It's time for the world to grow up and do what's right.



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Toad, thanks for the info on the Macallan. Think I'll pick up a bottle of the 18 yr next time a special occasion comes along.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
We haven't lost anything yet, the war the gutless attacks on the world trade towers started is far from over. They've accomplished only one goal, to piss us off and ensure that they and their ilk will be wiped from the face of the earth without any remorse.
-SW


SW,

Don't argue with Blitz about losing.  He and his countrymen know a thing or two about it.

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Originally posted by blitz
2.We don't support Saddam Hussein, we just try to slow down Bush and his warmongeres.

3. Nobody wants Saddam alive and his regime survive

Regards Blitz


He's not yet the equal of Boroda in entertainment value, but he's climbing the chart.

Maybe a good fairy will come and depose Saddam with a wave of her wand? Ya think? If we all hold hands and wish really, really hard?
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2stony,

When you figure out a cheap way to get hydrogen in a useable form please let us know.

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who gives a toejam?
Like we as individuales can do anything about it.

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, overreacting nationalism, and the wish to be the superiour people in this world are some  others.
 
Blitz


 


The Germans do know something about this to be sure.

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Fair enough Ripsnort, but I had thought better of you than to think that you would subscribe to a simplistic distortion.  Disagree with those against the war, yes, but I would have hoped that you could see and respect the reasons that we oppose it.

Your response did not address any of my main concerns, not one.
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This has been quite a good thread. I think Pepe's post was the best. My thoughts entirely.

Mr. Toad! I didn't mind your minor digression into 25 year old MacAllan - can't think why Creamo saw fit to be so rude. I know you would like to treat the current campaign as a "Missed Approach", and come back around in 6 months for another landing attempt. I don't think that's feasible at all. The time for negotiations ended when Saddam failed to comply with UN Resolutions when renewed demands were made by Dubya. On the day that forces began to be deployed to the Gulf, that day in my mind was when negotiations had come to an end.

You can't keep 240,000+ guys hanging around at combat ready status. Morale will sag. Maybe their level of fitness will suffer. In 1982, PM Margaret Thatcher took exactly that stance with Argentina over the Falklands. Galtieri had failed to vacate the islands, so UK forces were deployed. THEN Galtieri suggested that he would renegotiate - if the British task force turned back from its two-week voyage to the South Atlantic. Galtieri was about to find out that this lady was not for turning. And if the forces had turned back? Galtieri would have done a Saddam and started laying down new conditions. The would have been more fudge and muddle. Because of Thatcher's deciciveness, a brilliant campaign was executed with excellent results.

I remember all the pacifist whining from 1982. (Dowding is too young to remember it) Leftists like Tony Benn were advocating "no war", and various other peaceniks came up with slogans like "jaw-jaw is better than war-war". When will they learn that you cannot negotiate with dictators like Galtieri - and Saddam. A glance through the history books shows that undesirable dictators have had to be removed by force - Hitler, Napoleon, Galtieri. Saddam is about to become the next in a long line of them.

Let's learn from past events here. The 1982 Falklands war resulted in the loss of 252 British lives. The first phase of the current Gulf war in 1991 resulted in about 30 deaths when a canteen was hit by a Scud missile, and some accidental friendly fire deaths. Now, as then, I do not see the Iraq situation developing into a "long and bloody campaign with millions of dead Iraqis" - that's what the peaceniks would have us believe. I agree with Pepe - the longer we wait, the more time Saddam has to arrange for a preferential distribution of his WMD.

Ahoy Blitz!  See you next month at the con.

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No I'm not. I was 4 years old and have vague recollections of watching it on the TV.

Besides, the Falklands was sovereign territory and therefore the war was in self-defence i.e. nothing like this pre-emptive attack against a country that has not attacked our territory.

Tony Benn is funny, and it seems only you take him seriously, BTW. :p
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Baaahhh Dowding!  You should go to the next peace rally. Dance cheek to cheek with Clare Short. You might not enjoy it, but I bet she has a wide on. ;)