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Offline ghostdancer

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« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2003, 06:00:03 PM »
crowMAW the Iraqi Nuclear facility was not a smoking gun in the opinion of the world at the time. At the time is was billed as a facility for the development and support of commercial nuclear energy production. The Iraqi's never came out and said we are using this facility for creating nuclear weapons or enriching material so that it can be used for making bombs.

It was very suspicious when you thought why do they need nuclear power plants when they have all that oil? But even then a good part of the world cried foul over the Israeli actions. Saying they had no just cause for attacking and destroying a commercial plant. Later it was proven that it was more than just a commercial plant.

Also it was shown that after this attack by the Israelis that the Iraqi regime then made efforts to disperse and hide its nuclear facilities and program so that in the future it could not be hit and disrupted by a strike that the Israelis did. Again proven after the gulf war.

So in this case it was not a smoking gun. And then afterwards they hid and dispersed.

In the case of NK it is a smoking gun since NK has come out and said publically that they are working on a Nuclear Weapons program. Their facilities were not a smoking gun before they said this since other countries argued they needed these so called commercial facilities for creating energy. Only after the NK said no we are working to creating Nuclear Weapons did the other countries then go .. oh, these facilities could be used to aid with that. Don't bring them online. Before NK said that it was .. oh, NK needs energy and these are just commercial facilities.

As for the World II analogy you are right no country went to war because of the holocaust. They simply would not believe the reports of it the recieved and dismissed it as propoganda.

You are right the smoking gun .. if you can call it that was an attack on Poland and attack on Pearl Harbor. And actually an attack on Russia. In all three cases the allied side had evidence pointing to a looming attack. In all three cases an argument can be made that they waited too long to start preparing for war and beefing up the particular forces in hot spots.

Russia refused to believe it was going to be attacked by Hitler until it was. If they had prepared for an attack things might have gone different. Might not have but might have.

Britain and France did nothing substantial to support Poland but make threats to Germany of what they would do if Hitler did something. This after allowing him the rearm, to occupy the sudentland, absorb in all but name Austria, etc., etc.

The U.S. knew that things might develop into war and had made some preparations for it and expected the Phillipines to be the real target. But even there they did not really beef up the forces their to the extent to resist and onslaught.

All three examples the evidence was there pointing to the fact that Germany and Japan were serious and were ready to attack but it was not given the weight it should have or the preparations to counter it that should have been done.

At the time you could argue we could afford to let the other guy take the first punch (attack Poland, attack Russia, attack Pearl Harbor). The problem today is to let the other guy take the first punch when he might be armed with chemical weapons, atomic weapons, or biological weapons and has shown that he will use what he has (chemical in the past) is something that can be much, much, much more catastrophic than in the past.

In my opinion Bush should have given more time and done more diplomatically than he has to get a consensus on the issue. But eventually it still comes down to the point that it is very likely that Iraq still would not comply and still be evasive and when do you say enough is enough? Or do you run inspections from here till Saddam dies of old age. Because if you stop running inspections then he will reconstitute his programs and he has shown the will to use these weapons when he has them.

Its a nasty situation no matter what way you look at it.
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2003, 06:04:42 PM »
banana, from two counties over, in Owatonna, and 7 or 8 steps to the right in the political spectrum :)

I must respectfully disagree with my squaddies CroMAW and BGBMAW; Cro as to his ultimate conclusion, and BGB as to his tone toward our fellow members who regard themselves as liberals.  Mr. Blair, our coalition partner, would term himself a liberal, or perhaps even a socialist.  You shouldn't have to be a conservative to see the nature of the Saddam regime.  Even tho he is nominally a Baath Socialist, his real ideology is Saddamite, and his only God is himself.  I am sorry that the governments of France, Germany, China and Russia are not with our coalition, but am glad that 14 European nations and numerous others will be supporting us in our effort to remove a regional and perhaps soon, a world threat, and liberating a captive people.  If some Muslims hate us for freeing fellow Muslims from a hellish regime, well, I won't spend a lot of effort trying persuade them otherwise.  I pray that each of  the soldiers come home, and that all the innocent Iraqis live to see the dawn of freedom.

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2003, 06:52:37 PM »
yes Tony Blair..wow..He was Willy Clintons Good friend...

Now..how can you liberal explain why he is sticking by  what is supposed to be the political nme conservitves?

Why?..Cause he has common sense.....he knows and has seen what saddam can and would do...

So why doenst this make you other liberal "guys" say hmm why cant we see what he sees?..

Blair has put his career on the line to do what he feels is morally right. I salute him for that..very brave ..especailly compared to the stinkin toejam piles we have on capitol hill...(Daschle) For Dascjhle to say rigth after Bush's speeach i think should be treason..(or somthn)..

DASCHLE: 'This president failed so miserably at diplomacy that we're now forced to war'...


So ..how about everyone who agrees with this toejam pile please let me know....

Why do you guys think that the Democratic party lost there tulips last election?......actaully save it..I have to go hug a tree with my chain saw

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P.S. Rk..I still think the majority of liberals/democrats are fuk nuts..I know many of you may hate that/me..thats how i feel..I live surrounded by them...maybe they are just more extreme

anyways I dont agree with all the "republican " ideas...but I sure in the hell agree wit them 80% more then any other group..

I dont support "artist" who toejam on a bible and get tax dollars for it..Afirmative Action...diddly this toejam..BS!..well i guess i do..i pay taxes.Repartriations!!?? You fikn kidding me?

To see your democratic party try to take Shots at Bush after his adress is disgusting to me...and any one who agrees with Daschles statement to me...is sickning..again..my opinion
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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2003, 07:33:22 PM »
BGBMAW thanks for posting. Should I re-enter the fray of the Main Arena and be looking for a squad I will avoid yours like it's the plague. If you aren't the biggest idiot in The O'Club you're at least in the top three along with DavidPT40 and RC51. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if you're all the same person, only when you're BGBMAW you wear a ballgag and leather speedo... I'm embarassed you live about 15 minutes from me.

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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2003, 07:42:32 PM »
While I consider myself a conservative, I have come to respect Tony Blair.  He has proven to be a friend as stern and stedfast as Margaret Thatcher.

Here's to him!

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« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2003, 07:48:20 PM »
yeah sounds like he might have to cross the aisle, or have the Tory's send some back benchers to his side :)  Looks like the Liberal Social Dems are out of the question as a destination.

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« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2003, 07:55:45 PM »
I think we're paying too steep a price to remove a two-bit dictator, but I truely hope it comes out like the White House says it will.

I will gladly post a "You guys were right" thread and I strongly wish the circumstances and events of the next year put me in a position to make that post.

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« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2003, 08:19:48 PM »
Airhead.....blah blah...WHat do you think is so"idoitic"

Yes please come join us......I have a great spot for you


And let me guess you are part of the Rainbow Coalition and voted for Grey Davis..if so...then really..diddly you.. actaully no you cant be..you wouldnt be here  i think

But I cant say you guys are so bad..we have a common interests..ww2 Aircraft & History..which i love..so i will salute that part....

But Like Scott Ritter..you can serve your country and still be a child molesting maggot..or you can still be an "American" and i can still call you a piece of toejam liek the French/German Gov

There all over the world...


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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2003, 09:04:25 PM »
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Airhead.....blah blah...WHat do you think is so"idoitic"

Yes please come join us......I have a great spot for you


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ALL your posts are idiotic. LOL Seriously, you are stupid. Which wouldn't be a problem if you were smart enough to realize you were stupid- unfortunately you aren't smart enough to realize you are stupid, and that's Darwinism-style sad.

Thanks for the invitation to join your squad, but after listening to the idiocic ramblings of you I'm surprised more sensible members of the MAWs tolorate your idiotic ass.

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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2003, 09:24:14 PM »
BGB's an ok squaddie, he just needs me to edit his posts before he hits that enter key.  :)

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« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2003, 09:43:12 PM »
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BGB's an ok squaddie, he just needs me to edit his posts before he hits that enter key.  :)

Hell, it would be just fine if he would run a spell check before hitting enter!! :)

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« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2003, 09:52:11 PM »
I dont think fu&^ is in any spellcheck dictionary :)

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« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2003, 10:07:25 PM »
He lives bout half an hour away from me- if he'd like I'd be more than happy to meet him at the Sierra College Blvd. exit off of I-80 at the commuter parking lot and discuss why I think he's a punk without the protection of the Internet to stand between  us. How bout it BGMAW- you game? I am. I named the place, you name the time and I'll be there. I would love to kick your dumb redneck ass.

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« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2003, 10:17:05 PM »
hmm threats of physical violence, BGB, you must have found the right button to push. :)

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« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2003, 10:32:13 PM »
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hmm threats of physical violence, BGB, you must have found the right button to push. :)



Nah... He's safe. I was hoping he would agree to meet me and be confronted by a derelict holding up an "I Work For Food" cardboard sign and get busted for being drunk and disorderly- maybe he's smarter than I thought.

Sorry, but BGMAW is too smart to meet me in person- and I am too chicken to meet him in person. In the meantime I wish the rest of the MAW luck in their squad and hope they win the reset and overcome the idiot among their midst. Hey. he's your problem, not mine.