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Offline Lazerus1

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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2003, 12:29:02 AM »
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Exactly.Hell, even the french lasted two.  :cool:
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2003, 02:58:07 AM »
Armchair generals always crack me up.  I am not saying that those in power can't make mistakes (they have in the past), but don't you think that those with formal training in commanding and war fighting beyond the grunt training that many people here have had (and even more have not - myself included) actually might have an idea as to how to run a war better than you?
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2003, 07:45:37 AM »
You don't have to be a West Point or Sandhurst grad with 4 stars to have concerns about a really long supply line that wends past towns full of "bypassed" enemy units.

You don't have to be a West Point or Sandhurst grad with 4 stars to have concerns about a planned for Northern Front that never opened with the troops destined for it still a week a way from the battle.

You don't have to be a West Point or Sandhurst grad with 4 stars to have concerns about there being no "theater reserves" available.

I think all of those "armchair concerns" have finally been noticed. The 3rd ID halted 48 hours in place. The 1 MEF is now saying they will stop and deal with the attacks on their supply column in the "hunting" mode. The 173 Airborne has dropped to take a usable airfield in the North and 4th ID is beginning to move troops in theater.

I think all of those actions validate the various concerns raised by former military high-ranking officers and by some here as well.
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2003, 08:13:28 AM »
Shock and Awe -- maybe we should have just dropped a Coke bottle from the skies and we could have walked into Baghdad as gods. Weren't we originally supposed to go in with only 3 brigades at one point in the planning?

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Armchair generals always crack me up. I am not saying that those in power can't make mistakes (they have in the past), but don't you think that those with formal training in commanding and war fighting beyond the grunt training that many people here have had (and even more have not - myself included) actually might have an idea as to how to run a war better than you?


Math, I think the question is: Are there armchair generals in Washington that called the shots on this one? From the think tank to the field with little in between.

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« Last Edit: March 27, 2003, 08:55:06 AM by Charon »
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2003, 08:26:16 AM »
Will someone please hurry up and tell Iraq they have lost so we can get back to our regular posts soon?

Can I talk someone into posting something about fishing squirrels catching cats on cars (or something like that)?

Hell, I'd read another post about 'one word games' or 'just type ! please'.

On second thought....just continue here. At least we will know where you are posting and can side-step it.:D
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2003, 08:27:49 AM »
I think another thing that may have been a miscalculation is the faith in Shock & Awe's ability to generate a sufficient level of actual shock and awe amongst the Iraqi people. The mass surrenders and the dancing, flower throwing welcoming party also doesn't appear to be materializing as hoped. I don't even qualify to be an armchair general, but I'd say a war strategy that puts faith in not having to really fight a war probably isn't so smart.

All that being said however, I'd say the war is going very, very well so far.
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2003, 08:33:14 AM »
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At least we will know where you are posting and can side-step it.:D


Obviously not.

Like a moth to a flame.
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2003, 08:36:21 AM »
With all the concerns in this thread we are still winning, right?

Anyone have any idea of enm killed?  I have heard 35000.
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2003, 08:36:32 AM »
Nash, the incredible overoptimism and faith that the psy-ops guys put in themselves is legendary.

Unfortunately, they appear to have gotten far more than their usual opportunity to shape the plan this time.

They need to quit reading their own press releases.

It's always nice to dream though. And they had a lot of us convinced they were right this time. Turns out, though, that it's a war like most other wars.
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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2003, 08:41:08 AM »
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Obviously not.

Like a moth to a flame.


Hey, will you please give up being my personal hemorrhoid?

Just because you like the war thing doesn't mean I want to have a little message board war with you.

Shoo, fly. Go away.
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2003, 08:51:01 AM »
We're pressing up against the Iraqi armour where we're winning, but now comes the rear-area guerilla warfare where light, mobile troops would come in handy.
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2003, 09:00:12 AM »
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Expecting to win a war in a week is ridiculous.


Who expected to win this war in one week?
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2003, 09:06:53 AM »
You guys are saying that war doesn't always go the way it's originally planned?
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2003, 09:22:04 AM »
Rude.
Do you remember this?
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Pongo....

There is no way on God's green earth that we will kill several hundred thousand people. Who sold you that bill of goods?

You watch.....we'll roll in and wait outside of Bagdad....they will give us the country. And if I'm wrong, I'll be the first one here to admit it.



Do you understand what an bellybutton you are?
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2003, 09:32:02 AM »
Well, "moth to a flame" wasn't a good analogy.

More like a moth to a floodlight. After all, you aren't incinerated each time you fly through; you just hit the lens and cycle back.

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Gettin' a headache yet? :D

I certainly don't consider myself your personal itching affliction but I am truly amused at the irony of a guy that says he just can't stand to read this type of thread who then reads and posts in a bunch of them. Seems to me you give yourself your very own case of the red *ss. Self-inflicted 'roids. I mean, who doesn't laugh at that?


I don't like this war. In fact, if you do a search, you'll find I was opposed to this action before it started. Now that US troops are engaged, I want it over as fast as possible.

And, being the O-Club, I feel I can discuss it with those who also wish to discuss it.

And some that say they don't.

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