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Offline Toad

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« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2003, 11:52:49 AM »
Squelch, (how appropriate!)

There might have been others but none could possibly approach the magnitude of your eminence.

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Squelch:

I'm not new to the forum...just new to posting in it. I know how it works.


Brings to mind the old admonition attributed to Mark Twain, doesn't it?

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"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."


As I've said many times before, we all paint our own portraits with our words here. You're painting very quickly. :)
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« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2003, 11:56:19 AM »
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Squelch, (how appropriate!)
Brings to mind the old admonition attributed to Mark Twain, doesn't it?


Sure does. Do you, my friend, need a shovel, by chance??
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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2003, 11:58:46 AM »
Why, have you finished with it?

Where's this ultra-interesting thread BTW? :D
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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2003, 12:00:01 PM »
Nah.

Got my cooler, my lawn chair, a hibachi grill and some brats. It's just too much fun watching you dig yourself in deeper. And you're so fast and efficient, it's clear you need no help whatsoever.

Why with your help, this thread may well stay at the top of the list longer than any of the others you say you so despise.

bzzzzzzzzzzt......... doink!


Please do post again, anti "war thread" protester.


:D
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« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2003, 12:01:14 PM »
None taken bat dog. But you have to have some pretty serios brain washing happen to not see that between the failed apache strike and the iraqi couter attack. the Iraqis in Bagdad have stiffend in resolve not weakend.
There is not one man in the US military persueing a mass surrender strategy for the Iraqi military right now. They probably are focusing on the uprising strategy.
Rude
You see some horrible insult in me calling you an ass.
But your statement was indeed Assinine. Dont you agree. What possible evidence did you or Ruhmsfeld have that the Iraqis would collapse if you said BOO!

Yet that was the honest basis for this war plan. If the US thought it would have a 2-3-4 month hard slogging land war to take Iraq village by village and then Bagdad block by block. With civilians starving and dieing the whole time.
Do you think they would have rushed in there...
No they absolutley would not have.
But they felt like you. We are so tough and have such neat toys that the Iraqis wont fight us. But hate and indoctination make very powerful force multipliers. The Turks held strong for what ever reason and totaly and fundimentaly screwed the plan.
So the CIA finds some reason to light the candle on this baby before there can be a rational assesment of chances of success without the operations in the north..

I would imagine that the general on the ground has never liked a bit of this. But ruhmsfeld tends to get his way. I thought you guys had had your fill of political interference in waging war.

Anyway. This thing is far from lost or even ugly yet. But everything is in place to make it ugly and the US will have to escalate the damage a whole hell of a lot to win it. Since unconditional surrender has been the mind set of the US administration from the begining the Iraqis regime has nothing to lose. They know that everyone is coming for them.

I still wonder if that first stike didnt get Saddam. I havent seen a tv shot of him yet that convinced me. Obviosly the foriegn minister is alive..why not make it clear like that if Saddam is ok...

Sorry if thats too armchair generalish for some of you.
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« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2003, 12:01:34 PM »
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Why, have you finished with it?


Sure am. I can't dig EVERYONE out! ;)
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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2003, 12:21:10 PM »
I think the psy-ops guys were way too overoptimistic; they always are.

The reinforcements now slated for the conflict show where Centcom thinks this is going now. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume these are the units Franks reportedly asked for to begin with, either.

I'm not sure though that the US would have backed away if they had known for certain it was a multi-month operation. And as far as the CIA making up Intel... that's a pretty aggressive charge. I don't think I buy that, given the risk of the truth coming out in the aftermath. Not impossible, but unlikely IMO.

Agree on Saddam. All they need to really rally the Iraqi people, if they are truly on Saddam's side, would be to show him making an innocuous statement that could only be known after the first attack on him. He could come on a praise by name the farmer that shot down the Apache for instance. What a morale boost, I'd think. But... nothing.
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« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2003, 12:24:01 PM »
Hey, squelch, thanks for the punt. Again. :)

The reason you can't dig anyone out should be obvious. No one else is down any where near as deep as you are.

I'll wager this post results in an "auto-punt" as well, so thanks in advance! :D
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« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2003, 12:32:23 PM »
I'm curious as to how much armor they think they'll be able to airlift into the north.  As it stands right now, the 173rd will have just enough manpower to watch the Kurds and Turks and perhaps tackle on of the closer Iraqi cities.  Kirkuk, I believe.
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« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2003, 12:34:50 PM »
Pongo....

I really don't pay much attention to the individual posters on this board....where have you stood regarding the US involvement in Iraq? Do you think we're wrong, right or just not very nice?

Let me know if ya would.
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« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2003, 12:42:03 PM »
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So what subjects do you want to talk about? Start a thread, let's see what you're made of, old bean.


He did already, extolling the virtues of owning pit bulls:rolleyes:

Squelch..a word of advice..Toad has the uncanny ability to make those who get into a post war with him look very silly, as demonstrated here.
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« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2003, 02:56:28 PM »
Well Rude..
The only noble thing you could hope to achieve is to improve the lives and goverment of Iraq. And kill few enough of them to make it seem worth the price.

Since no country in the world has a longer list of failures in dealing with Muslims then the US I think your chances of doing so are none.
Look at how long you effectivley ruled Iran and the outcome.
Look at how well you understood Osama bin ladin when you made him what he is. And Saddam.
Without any track record of success in many many attempts to manipulate muslims what possible chance do you think Bush has of improving the lives of the people of Iraq.
None.
So since Iraq is not threat militarily to the US or Britain. And they have no links to terror other then against Isreal which the US seems to be accepting as not terror at all. Why are you there.
To kill alot of Iraqis trying to kill one in partictular.
How can anyone be in favour of US boys being killed for such a purpose.
Neither Bush nor Ruhmsfeld would think it worth thier lives Im sure.
As you are certainly seening on the news..you are in fact fighting the people of Iraq. Not ever the intention that was expressed pre invasion. So now that apperenlty the Iraqis like Saddam more then the US can you put the genie back in the bottle...

So I was and am against it. Its not worth your boys blood as it wont work.
You are making a saladin out of Saddam. Your choices in the end will be to unload on him like you did on the south vietnamese when they chose to select their own government instead of the one you tried to force on them..or to negotiate a cease fire.

Your previos posts on what your feelings were read like a comic book. I think that Bush reads the same one.
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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2003, 03:31:17 PM »
how do you win a war AND avoid civilian casualties?
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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2003, 07:32:18 PM »
Pongo.....

Well...thanks for confirming what I already knew...appreciate the honesty.

I believe you to either be young, in which you have an excuse or just wrong. No point in discussing it any further, at least here on these boards....I prefer eye to eye discussions and I hate typing.

Later
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« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2003, 11:11:32 PM »
The bottom line on why we're there is because SH did not comply with the terms of the ceasefire for GW1.

That's where this all starts.

IMO.
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