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Ice

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AWDOS.....what was the mystique?
« on: October 19, 2000, 09:44:00 AM »
I have yet to figure out why it was so much fun. It sure wasn't the FM or graphics, that's for sure.

Could it have been that it was our first online flight sim or was it something else?

Those of you who were there may or may not know what I'm talking about, but if you were I'de sure like your opinion and also if you can relate to what I'm talking about.

That sim was a hoot and I miss the fun I had those many years ago

Don't get me wrong...AH is a blast, just something is different today...perhaps it's me

Ice

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2000, 10:01:00 AM »
Was owned by Genie server I believe, when I first logged on in around  1989?  I believe it was the inter-action between a human opponent vs an AI for me...actually knowing that someones day was just ruined as I shot them out of the sky, and visa versa!

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2000, 10:12:00 AM »
Ice,

I feel the same way.  Never had as much fun in a flightsim as I did in DOS AW.  I suspect it was a combination of things:

The first (?) online WWII flightsim.

Direct involvement of the developers.

A small community of players, made up of hard core WWII aircraft fans, who had searched out the game, made the effort to get it to run on their computer, and paid BIG money to play.  (Not many people would deal with all that just to "shoot stuff".)

A community with tradition, folklore, and player legends.  When I got there in 1991, there was already a well-established community.

Simple graphics, and flight models.  Seems like people concentrated much more on player community interactions than on the minute details of the mechanics of the game.  Like kids with only a stick for a toy, "you had to make your own fun".

Hate.    

One of the first things I noticed about AH when I joined the open beta, was that it had the DOS AW "feel" to me.  In a lot of ways, it still does.    

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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2000, 10:48:00 AM »
 Funny. I'd asked this same question on a private (but public accessable) AW news group recenty. (whistful sigh for nntp). My question pertained more to why many still remained with AW so many years after the 'golden era' of AW DOS.
 Let me grab two notable (the only)  answers for you, just to add to the conversation.   But, for the most part,  it seems it was being "the first", a smaller community and being a community it was pretty tight knit even with the few 'knots' that were mixed in.     Notable non-responses were Quarters and Moggy who are employed by Kesmai and who's answers would not be unbiased anyway.  And DeadDuck, Cookie, Tex (although he went to the AH con and was seen online here recently) as well as a few others either never saw the question or just did not feel like replying.

Question: "WHY do you miss the Genie days? And maybe, depending on a few possible answers I can think might be coming, this will segway into WHY do you still fly AW?"  


LoneWolf:"simply a wish for the days of smaller more tight knit community-we all pretty well knew each other-not that bigger isn't as good, just miss the sense of oneness (imho)..."

GypsyBaron: "I did really enjoy knowing virtualy everyone in our virtual sky. And not have to worry about some TOS-spouting-pimply-faced-moronic-dweeb pushing the virtual "complain"  button when you partook of a bit of Chan 1 assault on the senses   "


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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2000, 10:50:00 AM »
Oh Man! AW!!!!!

I read an article in MACWORLD about this new Genie service in 86 or 87, just out of Grad school...  And I couldnt believe what I was reading.

For ever I had been dreaming with airplanes.  When I was a kid I has this battery thing that turned around in circles on a string...  Then Cox models...  Then board flight sims... This looked like Nirvana.

Anyway, signed up to Genie with my 1200 baud modem, and life changed.  This was on my Mac Plus with a B&W screen hardly bigger than a stamp, the planes were wire models, you could download non working control panels, man I had fun fun fun!

I especially remember a cool character called capn Trips.  He and I would fly and talk for hours.  Interaction with the designers was constant.  In fact, they gave us flight models to test in the main arena!  

Somebody mentioned that in fact when a plane turned it lost energy, and that this wasnt simulated.  So KESMAI cranked out a version that did lose energy, and allowed anybody to try it out.  Trips and I downloaded it, and had our own little test.  We yelled   ont get near us, we are testing! and NOBODY EVER THOUGHT OF INTERRUPTING.  EVERYBODY CIRCLED AND WATCHED.

Popeye says it all pretty much, I would only add that It was originally a MAC game, and calling it AWDOS is not quite accurate.

You see, the game WAS the community then (or the community was the game).

Not being nostalgic, I understand time and numbers have changed, I was 26 and now I am 40, but ahhhhh the memories...

You see, all this was new...  the way the superb WB realism and graphics were new a few years ago...  And the way AH is new now.


Cheers and thanks for making me remember,


figaro (Parsifal on AW)

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2000, 11:33:00 AM »
yep.. what everyone said plus.... We were all newbies.  We didn't complain too much cause we didn't even know how to use what we had at first.  AH has some of that flavor simply because it is new.   Most are still in the same boat.

AH also, IMO wisely promotes newbies with the 2 free week thing.   fresh blood in the game and on channel 100 adds to the who newness image.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2000, 12:02:00 PM »
I always thought AW's graphics were pretty dang good for 1987 standards    


It's unfortunate, though, they they haven't made any serious improvements to the actual game since AirWarrior for Windows.  That's why they're behind now.

Of course, AW's biggest asset at the present time is its affordability.  I simply can't afford to keep a subscriptiono to AH.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2000, 12:14:00 PM »
My wife could tell you better than I could, but I believe I was paying something like $5/hour?  Does that sound about right?  (Too many beers ago to remember)

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2000, 02:18:00 PM »
I loved AW DOS on Genie and later Kesmai as it was FAST. The arena was smaller and you could get into action with little time spent. Yes there were astronauts but the FM was closer on the planes so you could be competitive in a variety of rides. If you took a F^ you could fight with all but the dedicated Zeke TnB fight and still have a chance.

The relaxed FM was ok if you were not a purist and lent itself to a more "fun" oriented player.

Squads were tight and maintained a reputation. There was the ever present squad rivalry and the chance to totally shut down a country. TAS did it several times. We even had squads come up 30 minutes before our regular squad mission times just to try and vulch us on start up. We had some really outstandingly fun nights fighting our way out of the trap and then trashing the side that did it to us.

Game play was easy (relaxed) and most of all you could get into the action quickly. That is something that is lacking in AH outside of the TA (which IMHO is like AW main and more fun)

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2000, 02:24:00 PM »
Close Ripsnort.  I was paying $6 / hour in 1991.  Have to say it's still the most fun I've ever had with any flight sim.  I started with a Mac until Hitech told me how cool his 2-button CH Flightstick was, so I actually bought my first PC just so I could play with that joystick :-)

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2000, 02:32:00 PM »
Pretty close Rip. When I was flying it on Genie, it was $6 an hour. So expensive that my flying time was strictly limited. I spent a lot of time reading the various docs available (heavens, this was pre-Web days even) and chatting in the "lobby" area. I'd agree that the small community was part of the fun. You really did know everyone. Overall, however, I think the mind blurs the ugly parts of those days. You remember the good stuff and not the large number of tech problems, the clunky interface, and the staggering bills. I much prefer what we have now  

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2000, 03:24:00 PM »
Funny,
everything you guys describe, is exactly the same kind of fun I had in my first online sim, Warbirds 1.11

Logging in and flying was so much FUN for me I couldnt describe it. It wasnt nearly as good as AH, but there was this something..

Maybe its just that we have taken online simming for granted. Back then on our first online experience, it was something NEW, incredible.. it was magic.

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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2000, 03:41:00 PM »
Pars you old bastage, you!  DosAW was a hoot, wasn't it?

Bunch of us still get together to shoot the chit, inlcuding Spitboy, Skinnyboy, Rabbit, KB, Quick, Flames, Walrus, Dwarf, etc.

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2000, 03:58:00 PM »
Ice..

I miss AW DOS and i finally realised why. Back in 1989 when i 1st logged on to AW DOS there where very few people flying. Cost was very high, ISPs where hourly AW DOS was hourly. This kept the kids out.

It was a great community, i cant remember any instance of some idiot running loose at the mouth.

Damn we had fun

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Ice, are we getting old?

Love flying  

Dog out.....

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2000, 03:59:00 PM »
That was MacAW Dog  

A couple of guys in that list that I haven't heard of....I assume they joined up on the other side when it moved to AOL (couldn't stomache that).  But I definately remember Dwarf and Walrus etc. .... and obviously Spit.

Where do u guys meet up?