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Offline Airhead

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« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2003, 05:01:01 PM »
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Dowding:  Waaaaaaaah.  Grab your sign, and go stand in front of Windsor.   You pop your head in every time you think you can get away with your anti american crap.  You, Baroda, Blitz, Straffo.  




Yeah, Dowding- what Martlet said. You, Baroda, Blitz and Straffo are lousy Americans. :mad:
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« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2003, 05:02:17 PM »
I'm so very sorry for questioning the relevance of a link between bread queues and the armour used on Abram tanks.

Perhaps you could expand on the point? Did the Soviets start using bread for armour on their new tanks and that's why there was an apparent national shortage?

I demand to be told!

On a side note, I really don't see why there was a need to denigrate Boroda. It seems like he does have some knowledge in this area.

As for the jealousy line - heard it all before and it simply doesn't wash. No, really. And I don't think there was anything anti-American about my post - point out where that isn't the case or we'll just conclude you were talking bollocks. Good day.
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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2003, 05:04:30 PM »
Mea culpa, Airhead, mea culpa! I have a visa card and everything - I also spend lots of money on crap I don't need, and even went and bought coffee in a Star Bucks on Satruday. I am trying. :D
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« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2003, 05:08:39 PM »
any of you "engineers' know how many T-72's have been destroyed so far? BMP's?,how many arty?, how many iraq troops killed , wounded, surrendered?
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« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2003, 06:08:15 PM »
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I've seen 3 Abrams in that footage, just shown on the BBC. They are definitely unique tanks. One is in a ditch with no descernible damage, another has the armour peeled back on the side and is on fire in the front corner and the last one had consideralble frontal damage but the sides were intact. Not neccessarily the same engagement, of course, but the landscape looked very similar in all shots.



The tank in the ditch wasn't hit by hostile fire.  The tank went into the ditch when the driver took evasive maneuvers to avoid the ambush and hostile fire and drove into the ditch.  

Jordi posted the story of that action on another newsgroup and when I get home, I'll go ahead and post it here.  


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« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2003, 06:15:12 PM »
wasnt there a "bread for armor" deal back in the 80's???

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« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2003, 06:30:59 PM »
Something dosen't seem quite right with that story.  If the first M1 Abrams were actually lost in combat it would be on the front page of every news organization in the Western World (With France leading the way) yet I've seen nothing.  Not to say something didn't happen but more M1's have been lost to driving accidents than combat (zero).
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« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2003, 06:39:36 PM »
There have been no M1s 100% destroyed, but there have been several M1s penetrated by enemy fire.  Some had to be abandoned or destroyed.
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« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2003, 09:07:00 PM »
I was just wondering if bread is ejected from the turret when a T-72 is destroyed
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« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2003, 09:15:34 PM »
From Debka... take it with a grain of salt, but this is just a bit of what they're saying:



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Their most effective weapon was one unanticipated by US tank troops: a Russian-made Kornet AT-14 ATGM laser wire-guided anti-tank missile....

The missile and instructors for its use, DEBKAfile intelligence sources report, were provided by an old friend of Saddam Hussein, President Aleksander Lukashenko of Belarus. It was sent to over through Iraq’s primary smuggling route across Syria.

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If Abrams are getting whacked, it's reasonable that it is a Kornet that is doing it.
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« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2003, 09:29:13 PM »
Saw an interview with a Marine General who was talking to the reporter as a bunch of Marines were bringing sacks of food out from a building previoulsy occupied by Iraqi officers (apparently to distribute to starving locals, hearts and minds comes back).

Anyway, the General made a comment about some bridges nearby that were very valuable to the coalition as about "ten Marines died taking those bridges".  He then made a comment where if you were to go up to those bridges you would see Marine vehicles "shot up pretty good".

Im not surprized the western media isnt showing any video of coalition losses.  Not that I disagree with not doing so.  Its pretty obvious to me that we have a hard fight going on and its only going to get worse.  Perhaps much worse.

The flip side of this whole operation is that the futures military leaders are learning the trade in the best way.  Under fire and getting shot up.  Its going to be a neccessary skill in the years and decades ahead.
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« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2003, 12:11:48 AM »
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a Russian-made Kornet AT-14 ATGM laser wire-guided anti-tank missile....


Lol
I must be missing something. Why would you have a laser wire guided missle?
Laser guiding is a wire-less technology..thats one of the reasons you do it.
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« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2003, 06:19:27 AM »
Yeah, I wondered about that too, but I really don't know much about Kornet except that it'll hurt an Abrams.

As I said at the top... it's Debka. After you read them a while, you see that their are mistakes but that once in a while there's a pearl in the pile of BS.
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« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2003, 06:23:06 AM »
Maybe its a laser range finder.  The Russians have a tank that shoots some type of defense when it is being 'painted' by a laser.  Think it fires some type of canister shells in a 360 degree arc in order to destroy incomming missles.
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« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2003, 06:31:30 AM »
Actually we have dazzlers on the abrams now too.  Ill try to find a picture of a recently KO'd abrams in Iraq that shows the device. Apparently this one was either hit by a hellfire (oops) or kornet. Either way the abrams is in remarkably good shape for being hit by such weapons.
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