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Offline WhiteHawk

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My first whine...
« on: April 01, 2003, 11:53:28 AM »
I'm getting sick of the missions that send 20 tiffies or p51's or
p38's on a high alt kamakaze death assault on an airbase.
  Its indefensable.  is there anyway we can deliver some
face distorting electrical shocks to people when they die?
  Maybe impossible, but how about a much shorter regen
period for Strats and Hangars destroyed by pilots who
have died, as opposed to pilots who are alive and\or landed
safely?
  My second whine, how about counting Fh's and BH's and VH's
as kills for buff pilots.
  Example..if I get 3 fighter hangars, a vh and  shoot down
2 planes in my lanc, can the headlines say ' xxxx landed
6 Kills in a lanc'?
  A well planned mission that includes a safe landing is
going by the wayside.

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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2003, 01:39:20 PM »
Saw the Bish defend 11 against 3 of those type of sorties (30+ attackers) on Sunday.

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Offline CMC Airboss

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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2003, 01:39:22 PM »
All in all, it gets a 5.  

Points deducted for combining two whines.  Points also deducted for lack of profanity and lack of flight model complaints.  The second whine would have scored a 6.5 for originality on its own.  

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Offline SunKing

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2003, 02:22:34 PM »
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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
All in all, it gets a 5.  

Points deducted for combining two whines.  Points also deducted for lack of profanity and lack of flight model complaints.  The second whine would have scored a 6.5 for originality on its own.  

MiG



no way , I give it a 9 for this line alone


"is there anyway we can deliver some
face distorting electrical shocks to people when they die?"

Offline CMC Airboss

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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2003, 01:39:58 PM »
That sounds more like a question or request for an improvement to the program.  Now if he stated "I have no way of delivering face distorting electrical shocks to people when they die," I would have scored much higher.

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2003, 04:35:18 PM »
I guess a switch controlled by USB to close/open a circuit would work - hook that into a car battery circuit which is clipped to the gonads with jumper cables.

One, two, perhaps three deaths and the pilot is cured of kamakazi tendancies.

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2003, 02:47:39 AM »
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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I guess a switch controlled by USB to close/open a circuit would work - hook that into a car battery circuit which is clipped to the gonads with jumper cables.

One, two, perhaps three deaths and the pilot is cured of kamakazi tendancies.


lol! :)

hey this could be used in all manner of cure-alls for anti-social behaviour......just think teenage vandals hooked to a portable version:

nasty-steve 'Hey i got an idea!'
rotten-jim, steves best mate: 'what? whats the idea?'
nasty-steve'See those big glass panes?...Lets get those rocks over there and th...BZZZZT..ARGH!!!...thro..BZZZZZTT! EARRRGH!...make a rockery! with flowers!! make a rockery with flowers!! oh my nads!!!'
rotten-jim:'Sheesh steve you just aint no fun anymore!'

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Re: My first whine...
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2003, 09:58:27 AM »
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I'm getting sick of the missions that send 20 tiffies or p51's or
p38's on a high alt kamakaze death assault on an airbase.
  Its indefensable.  is there anyway we can deliver some
face distorting electrical shocks to people when they die?
  Maybe impossible, but how about a much shorter regen
period for Strats and Hangars destroyed by pilots who
have died, as opposed to pilots who are alive and\or landed
safely?
  My second whine, how about counting Fh's and BH's and VH's
as kills for buff pilots.
  Example..if I get 3 fighter hangars, a vh and  shoot down
2 planes in my lanc, can the headlines say ' xxxx landed
6 Kills in a lanc'?
  A well planned mission that includes a safe landing is
going by the wayside.

        I hope this is your last, becasue it was the most stupid thing to whine about ever. First off, a kill is a kill. If you want to see your name in the lights when in a bomber, fly at around 15k and maybe youll get lucky and land em. Secondly, a sucsesful landing in a mission is up to you. Its the others guys rank that is going to suffer for his kamikazi into the FH's or what ever. And if they are flying that much out of control, they are likely not to hit their target anyways. Ive whached alot of guys do this in missions, coming in at 20-15k  and going full out right down to 3k and wonder why they are ripping wings off or compressing. P38s are a little tricky to DB in if you don't use them alot because they do compress much sooner than does the P51.
I have one question for you, when im in a mission and i take out two FHs with my attack plane, should i also recieve a kill message?????:rolleyes:

Offline frank3

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2003, 10:20:01 AM »
Streetstang and WhiteHawk,

You're both right, the missions should be better planned.
I once had a mission which the planes carried 25% fuel instead of the 75% we actually needed to get TO the target...

And yes, if you wan't to land kills it all depends of your own flying skills, ofcourse it maybe won't be very realistic to return on your own but there's no other way.

About that question of yours streetstang, there's some sort of bug which disables attack kills, you can get perks for bombers, fighters and vehicels, but strangely it won't allow you to select attack perks...

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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2003, 11:24:06 AM »
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Originally posted by CMC Airboss
All in all, it gets a 5.  

Points deducted for combining two whines.  Points also deducted for lack of profanity and lack of flight model complaints.  The second whine would have scored a 6.5 for originality on its own.  

MiG



MIG -

You forgot to deduct points for not threatening to quit.  

-1 point :D :D


heheheheh.  My first whine review.  I love it.  AMERICAN IDOL, here I come!!!

Offline WhiteHawk

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Re: Re: My first whine...
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2003, 08:13:43 AM »
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Originally posted by streetstang

I have one question for you, when im in a mission and i take out two FHs with my attack plane, should i also recieve a kill message?????:rolleyes:


Yes, if u land them.  But u see, the point has gone way over your head.  The strategy is molded by the goal of the game.  The
goal is to destroy another counjtry, which means you must
destroy other airbases, which means the massve high speed
suicide jabos on airbases is UNDERSTANDABLE, its just that it is
so effective that it has become the AH way, which is, in my
humble, yet correct opinion, a bit too simple.  But thats just
for me.  For You it may be a complicated strategic plan.
  If there is a reward for hangar kills landed.  yes,  you
have to land them in order to get the reward, perhaps it may
put a bit of a check on this 'unrealistic' aspect that seems (to me)
to be 90% of the organized missions.  
   If the hangars regened as soon as the pilot who was awarded
the hangar- kill, died or ditched, this would immediatley force the
attackers to think a little bit more about how to maximize
thier effort.  A while ago the bombing models were made
more realistic (challenging) because a bomber could
pinpoint targets from 25k and kill strats and this
'ruined too many peoples fun'.  I love the new bombing
model.  I exceed at it, compared to the others.  In
 my opinion, the sucicide jabos fall into the same catagory
as the pinpoint bombing.  But, I am a traditionalist.  I
always love to see 20 or 25 b17's w escorts.  Which is
a lot like the WWII air war that I read about.

Frank3, This is why I started this thread.   The last 4 missions
a peeked at had NO PLANS for RTB.  Typhoons, bombs and
rockets, kill hangars and strats, vulch.  Good grief.  :(
« Last Edit: April 15, 2003, 08:16:13 AM by WhiteHawk »

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Re: Re: Re: My first whine...
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2003, 11:42:39 AM »
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Frank3, This is why I started this thread.   The last 4 missions
a peeked at had NO PLANS for RTB.  Typhoons, bombs and
rockets, kill hangars and strats, vulch.  Good grief.  :(


I know what you mean, it's far from realistic! :mad:

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2003, 01:46:23 PM »
Whats with guys writing in stanzas?  Its like you're reading a poem.:confused:

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2003, 11:41:28 PM »
You guys post as if everyone in the game cares about landing kills and/or their score.  I could give a rat's butt about my score.

Also, the realism ends when we can die and come right back.  It's a game, it has many limitations and this is just one of them.

As long as someone dies and can come right back, you aren't gonna be able to stop suicide missions.

As for them being indefensible, that's not true.  The key is to rally a defense before it's too late...but that's the crux of the problem.  These days, a cry of mission inbound gets little to no attention until after the base is totally flat.

In addition, some players don't even care about winning the war, some just like to furball.  Not much we can do about all this, everyone pays their $$$ and plays the way they want to.

Personally, I'm all for the jabo missions because they work and because the majority of people in the game can't bomb worth diddly with this goofy new bombsite setup..and not everyone wants to spend time trying to learn it.

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2003, 05:06:56 PM »
ya AKwarp, i agree.  But balance is the answer here.  Sure,
there are people who care nuthing about realism and
rank and score, but there are those who do.  (i really dont
care about score and rank) , i just think that some semblance to
WWII aircombat should be maintained.  And that is
the bottom line, there is no balance between trading a
pilots life for a bomb drop on a  airfield, thats where the balance is.
  You can fly whatever you want, you can jabo till your blue in the
face, if you die, your kills(hangar/strat)  regen time is cut way down, if you live to land or just fly around, your kills(hangar/strat)
stay down for the regular, or even extended amount of time.
  this way everybody is happy.  If you dont care about rank and
score, do you care about winning a reset?  do you care about
destroying and capturing a base?  If you pay $$$ for this
you must care about something?
« Last Edit: April 24, 2003, 05:13:38 PM by WhiteHawk »